Serious question about Obama hatred

[RKO]

Disclosure/ as my posts will show, I'm a liberal. However I am NOT trying to start a debate or fight here. Rather, I would like to hear a reasonable explanation of why the hatred of Obama by some conservatives is so epic. I know that the left often ascribes it to prejudice, which I doubt is the only reason. Also the hatred was
Through the roof well before Obamacare, and abortion existed
Before Obama. I didn't like Bush but i never believed he was a minion of satan. Why is this? And please
Be charitable as I have tried to be. Thanks.

 

[Mayflower1]

It is a good question. All hatred stems from fear. I think a lot of people saw "Hussein" in his name and automatically judged him. Even obama is not a name from the united states I don't think. A lot I know believe he is the forerunner to the antichrist. I thought it was a very harsh judgement but how everything is pointing I wouldn't be surprised if he is playing a major role in what is to come. I don't hate him but I'M don't trust him either.

 

[S.ilvio]

Fear is a real factor.

Fear stirred up by pillars of Right wing extremism. Sadly some Americans are prone to these messages of hate and repeat them in their life views...

But I do say some. There is a common sense majority who may not be an Obama supporter but just see him for what he is, a guy of some ability who isn't performing up to the levels the hype suggested. Indeed many Democrats feel likewise.

But the hatred is on another plain and is shamefully being fanned by harbingers of doom...

 

[Fantine]

The Citizens United decision that allowed corporations to pour unlimited amounts of money into campaigns flooded the airwaves with negative advertisements and ads. There was no need for them to contain the tiniest iota of truth, because the candidate didn't have to "approve the message." The ads were placed by professional rabble rousers--and the opposing candidate had no part in the message.

The internet was another factor--a huge rumor mill where blogs are promoted as gospel truth and we're all bombarded with too much information.

Some people are very susceptible to all that negative energy.

 

[wondrousgnat]

I don't agree with Obama and never voted for him. But I don't believe him to be a bad man personally. Today writers, talk show hosts and their guests are quite open in their opinions. Like the anti-Catholics they will not hesitate and distort, misquote and lie to achieve their goals. And blog sites often create "facts." I have been embarrassed by some of the claims made by people who are supposedly on my side. Both sides do that too.

 

[catholicbybirth]

Disclosure/ as my posts will show, I'm a liberal. However I am NOT trying to start a debate or fight here. Rather, I would like to hear a reasonable explanation of why the hatred of Obama by some conservatives is so epic. I know that the left often ascribes it to prejudice, which I doubt is the only reason. Also the hatred was
Through the roof well before Obamacare, and abortion existed
Before Obama. I didn't like Bush but i never believed he was a minion of satan. Why is this? And please
Be charitable as I have tried to be. Thanks.

I'm sorry. I do not hate Obama, and abortion existed before he took office. Abortion existed before he was born.

I do not like Obama, I do not trust him, I believe he belongs behind bars. When he first was elected, I wanted to move to another country, but I can't speak Spanish well and Canada is just too cold. I didn't have the money to move across the ocean. So I decided to give him a chance to prove me wrong, I really wish he had. For the only wonderful aspect of Obama's tenure in office is that this country elected a black guy. It was about time. But of all the black men, and women, that have been born in the USA, Obama was near the bottom of the barrel, when it comes to morals and support for the US Constitution.

Before he was even a US Senator, he was in the Chicago legislature. He voted against a bill that wanted to ensure that if a baby survives abortion the babies will get medical care. He wanted them left to die.

He is now taking away our Constitutional rights. Every chance he gets he tries to limit more and more our gun rights, and I hate guns. I would never allow a gun in my house, but I would not stop others from having guns as Obama is trying to do.

He has forced the HHS mandate upon us. In the HHS Mandate, he has decided what entities could claim to be religious institutions. Only those entities who he deemed were religious institutions could ignore the HHS mandate.

If you need more reasons why I do not like him, am scared of him, and wish he would be impeached and imprisoned, just let me know.

Janice

 

[RKO]

stories like this don't help. In fact, if it were true that there were people in the administration who are part of the actual "Muslim Brotherhood" group, he should name names. (He says "he doesn't know, exactly...")

If, as I expect, he is dead wrong, he should be charged with sedition. If he is jumping to a horrifically wrong conclusion because there are people who happen to be Muslim, then shame on him for prejudice and racism. but lots of folks will jump on this egregiously. terrible.

Fox contributor ‘confirms’ Islamists in White House: ‘I haven’t got their names exactly’ | The Raw Story

 

[Needing_Grace]

When I hear some people talk about President Obama, I hear a lot of dog whistles.

I'm not sure what that means, but I have my suspicions. The words "uppity" and "out of his place" come to mind quite frequently when the dog whistles are blown.

 

[RDKirk]

A couple of cases in point of how unthinking the issue can be:

During the Bhengazi incident, a bunch of conservative blogs were repeating a story that Obama had personally fired the admiral of the aircraft carrier USS Stennis when he attempted to get involved in a rescue attempt.

That raised my eyebrow because I happened to know that the USS Stennis is based in the Arabian Sea--it had been in recent news stories regarding possible action against Iran. Any aircraft carrier involved with Libya would be one based in the Med--the 7th fleet based in Italy.

I spent a hot 30 seconds Googling and discovered that at the time of the Benghazi incident, the USS Stennis was actually doing a port call in Maylasia...almost on the other side of the planet from Libya. So there was no way the admiral was attempting to engage himself in anything in Libya.

I don't expect the average person to know all that--but I expect a reporter to do at least the 30 seconds of Googling that I did.

If you recall the case more recently when a woman was shot to death when she attempted to run a barricade at the White House (with her child in the car). Again, conservative blogs repeated a story that the woman was actually Obama's mistress and the child was his love-child.

What? Really? I saw that in one blog ("The Blaze") it meantioned that its source was a "GRU report." Now, the only "GRU" I was familiar with was the propaganda arm of the Soviet KGB, which is now the Russian FSB.

When I tracked down that report about Obama's "love child," I discovered it came from that same GRU--which is now the propaganda arm of the Russian FSB.

So conservative bloggers are blatantly getting their information about Obama from Russian propagandists. Really, conservatives? Really?

And I discovered that a number of these reports about Obama have originated from the Russian GRU...and are repeated in conservative blogs in the US, just deliberately sowing confusion.

 

[Wolseley]

I dislike Obama because I see his viewpoints, agendas, actions, and beliefs as representative of everything I feel to be wrong with this country.

Not that it matters.

 

[RKO]

I dislike Obama because I see his viewpoints, agendas, actions, and beliefs as representative of everything I feel to be wrong with this country.

Not that it matters.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

 

[RKO]

A couple of cases in point of how unthinking the issue can be:

During the Bhengazi incident, a bunch of conservative blogs were repeating a story that Obama had personally fired the admiral of the aircraft carrier USS Stennis when he attempted to get involved in a rescue attempt.

That raised my eyebrow because I happened to know that the USS Stennis is based in the Arabian Sea--it had been in recent news stories regarding possible action against Iran. Any aircraft carrier involved with Libya would be one based in the Med--the 7th fleet based in Italy.

I spent a hot 30 seconds Googling and discovered that at the time of the Benghazi incident, the USS Stennis was actually doing a port call in Maylasia...almost on the other side of the planet from Libya. So there was no way the admiral was attempting to engage himself in anything in Libya.

I don't expect the average person to know all that--but I expect a reporter to do at least the 30 seconds of Googling that I did.

If you recall the case more recently when a woman was shot to death when she attempted to run a barricade at the White House (with her child in the car). Again, conservative blogs repeated a story that the woman was actually Obama's mistress and the child was his love-child.

What? Really? I saw that in one blog ("The Blaze") it meantioned that its source was a "GRU report." Now, the only "GRU" I was familiar with was the propaganda arm of the Soviet KGB, which is now the Russian FSB.

When I tracked down that report about Obama's "love child," I discovered it came from that same GRU--which is now the propaganda arm of the Russian FSB.

So conservative bloggers are blatantly getting their information about Obama from Russian propagandists. Really, conservatives? Really?

And I discovered that a number of these reports about Obama have originated from the Russian GRU...and are repeated in conservative blogs in the US, just deliberately sowing confusion.

You bring up an interesting point. No matter which side you favor, both sides tend to come up with a lot of misinformation. Must be part of human nature that we tend not to question it so much when it slams somebody we don't like.

 

[Michie]

People are more than happy to assume the worst of those they disagree with or just enjoy disliking the person too much to really look into the allegations.

Humans seem enjoy having someone to hate on.

Again, they cannot seem to understand disagreement on issues does not mean you have to hate the person.

I don't think anyone here really hates Obama as a human being. They may hate his actions & policies but that is different than actually hating him personally.

 

[AMDG]

I dislike Obama because I see his viewpoints, agendas, actions, and beliefs as representative of everything I feel to be wrong with this country.

I think it's this--not hatred, but dislike of his ACTIONS and the harm he is doing to the country (nothing to do with his name). Terrible. 17 Trillion in debt and he doesn't care--just wants to spend more--wasteful spending to cronies or to our enemies. Acting like a dictator--ignoring valid laws and making Congress irrelevant.. Polarizing--class warfare. Incompetent (Seems all he can do really well is read speeches from teleprompters, go on expensive vacations, and play golf.) His disrespecting our military veterans and alienating our allies is extremely "hard to take". It's no secret that we are no longer even trusted because of him and we are no longer #1--but #19. The world respects Russia's Putin more.

 

[mark46]

The reality is that the political conservatives of today are not like Reagan, Bush, Bush, Gingritch and the rest of those before Obama was elected.

Read posts here and you will find that McCain and Romney are liberals. Jeb Bush and Christie are much too liberal to appeal to current day Republicans. Consider that George Bush led the fight for drug insurance for seniors (Medicare D). Romney's staff wrote the legislation on which Obamacare is based. And these programs are hateful to those who hate Obama.

So, of course, Obama is hated. He champions Obamacare. He champions the protection fo Social Security and Medicare. Immigration reform, increasing the minimum wage, and extending unemployment insurance are considered part of his socialist manifesto. In the past, these ideas were acceptable to Republicans.

I recall a president who was a union president, was a New Deal Democrat and became a Republican president. He was supported by the right of his party (as well as by the rest of his party and by many Democrats). He did little to change government policies on issues like abortion. Ronald Reagan would not be acceptable today, not by a longshot.

Disclosure/ as my posts will show, I'm a liberal. However I am NOT trying to start a debate or fight here. Rather, I would like to hear a reasonable explanation of why the hatred of Obama by some conservatives is so epic. I know that the left often ascribes it to prejudice, which I doubt is the only reason. Also the hatred was
Through the roof well before Obamacare, and abortion existed
Before Obama. I didn't like Bush but i never believed he was a minion of satan. Why is this? And please
Be charitable as I have tried to be. Thanks.

 

[AMDG]

It's Obama's ACTIONS, his harmful to the country policies, that are disliked. It would be wonderful if he wasn't so harmful to the country--if he wasn't polarizing; if he wasn't a liar; if he didn't do just as Bush did (except Bush actually respected the military and was genuinely charitable); if he, like Bush, was not a war criminal; if he wasn't so incompetent that he doesn't even know what he's doing; if he didn't try to make Congress irrelevant; and actually supported our laws and the Separation of Powers. But Obama HAS harmed the country and he doesn't care (he's just a Chicago politician) and that is why there is dislike.

Don't even TRY to pretend that it's because of prejudice or that of his name as if there wasn't a REAL reason at all.

 

[Chrystal-J]

I don't like him as president because the seems to cram policies down people's throats because he "knows what's best for them". How about letting me decide what's best for me? We currently have a republican governor in our state who crams policies down people's throats for the "good of the state"--funny, I thought the state was made up of people.
Why not present a policy to the people and let them decide? Perhaps most of the general public won't mind letting Catholic organizations opt out of providing contraceptive coverage in their insurance policies.

 

[RKO]

I don't like him as president because the seems to cram policies down people's throats because he "knows what's best for them". How about letting me decide what's best for me? We currently have a republican governor in our state who crams policies down people's throats for the "good of the state"--funny, I thought the state was made up of people.
Why not present a policy to the people and let them decide? Perhaps most of the general public won't mind letting Catholic organizations opt out of providing contraceptive coverage in their insurance policies.

I get what you're saying but the reality of it is that if every individual got to opt in or out of laws (and by this I don't mean criminal statutes, but ALL other laws) then there truly would be zero laws on the books. That may sound good to some, but nothing would exist. No public roads or infrastructure, schools, or basic protections, including human rights.
For every piece of legislation that was ever passed anywhere in the world, there are people who do not like them.
The trick is finding the balance. To do the things that help the most and not do the things that don't. Governments trying to figure that out have to get a feel for what people want or need, which leads to them having to try to figure out "what's best for them," as you put it.


we Americans like to think that we can exist 100% individually. That we can decide every single thing that is good for us or bad. The thing is, we can decide what we LIKE, but what if every American person or entity could simply choose to pay a tax or not? Do you think that would work? would we be better off if no American ever had to pay a single tax ever, since the founding of the country?

We like to think that as individuals we are 100% self sufficient. We're not.

Spock said it best: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" (or of the one.)

 

[RDKirk]

It's Obama's ACTIONS, his harmful to the country policies, that are disliked. It would be wonderful if he wasn't so harmful to the country--if he wasn't polarizing; if he wasn't a liar; if he didn't do just as Bush did (except Bush actually respected the military and was genuinely charitable); if he, like Bush, was not a war criminal; if he wasn't so incompetent that he doesn't even know what he's doing; if he didn't try to make Congress irrelevant; and actually supported our laws and the Separation of Powers. But Obama HAS harmed the country and he doesn't care (he's just a Chicago politician) and that is why there is dislike.

Don't even TRY to pretend that it's because of prejudice or that of his name as if there wasn't a REAL reason at all.

Obama is following the standard Democratic platform, no different from Clinton, but there is a savagery that was directed at Obama from his very first day--and even during his first campaign--of a level that was not directed at Clinton even during the height of Monicagate.

It was so bad that even McCain called for his supporters to cool the anti-Obama rhetoric...because MCain is old enough to remember....

 

[seashale76]

I'm not a Democrat and I'm not a Republican and I didn't vote for Bush and I didn't vote for Obama, so I'll tell you what I've seen. I'm not a fan of either of them. Before I get started on Obama, I just want to mention that I DO recall LOTS of Bush hatred. Lots.

So, I was a public school teacher back when Obama was first elected. Every day kids (and teachers- which I think is very unprofessional) would come to school wearing Obama t-shirts, campaign buttons, and even shoes with his face on them. I've never seen anything like it in my life. Any students who came to school wearing McCain and Palin anything were harassed and bullied. I saw it.

Outside of school I saw an older woman wearing an Obama bling necklace and it really creeped me out. His campaign posters creeped me out, as they hearkened back to those iconic communist posters of yesteryear. Then there were the creepy songs, and the creepy plans for youth brigades (or whatever the heck that was). Essentially, I saw a whole lot of people practically worshipping the man on a daily basis, but who could tell you nothing of his proposed policies. The only thing one could consistently count on was hearing the campaign slogan (which I was honestly amazed could work on the masses in this day and age). I expected this of kids, but adults? The icing on that cake was when he got a Nobel Peace Prize. For what exactly, again? I don't recall. I felt like the world went gaga, and it was easy to see then how certain men can be made dictators on this planet.

Now, don't get me wrong. Low information voting is like an ingrained institution in this country. However, there was less critical thought than usual. There was way more love for a candidate than I've ever seen and the same amount of absolutely no knowledge of anything he was allegedly representing. That's a dangerous combination.

Personally, I don't find him any worse than Bush. I think Obama has honestly continued many of the things Bush was doing (many things I dislike- don't get me started). Some of the things Obama was promoting were things I liked (such as the stimulus money that went towards infrastructure). However, I never voted for Obama for two main reasons: I couldn't figure out his real platform when he was running the first time (and I looked- it was all too vague), and I checked his voting record in the Senate. That was it for me. The man ran for POTUS the entire time he was a Senator and didn't do the first job he was elected for. Literally. I could never vote for someone like that.

Now, these folks who are running around with the Muslim claims, and the birther dreck, and the hissy fits over the oath of office, and the claims that he was 'on the down low', and the calling his wife names like Moochelle, and acting as if no first lady before her ever had a project/platform, and that she is evil incarnate or something, and 'fill-in-the-blank'- I think they're really reaching. There's plenty of substantiated things one can choose from to say this President isn't a good one, but they have to go with conspiracy theories, and low information stuff. Why is that? I'm thinking there's a pretty large racial element to it, to be honest. I'm not even sure those engaging in all of that are introspective enough to see it. Yet, can I condemn them all that much when I virtually witnessed a lot of people voting for him solely because of his race, and for no other reason?