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serial killers can go to heaven?

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LK 23:39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"

LK 23:40 But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."

LK 23:42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. "

LK 23:43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

The Scriptures never say what their crimes are.....but this one humbled himself before God. and was accepted.

This is by Max Lucado.

Our God is a Good God

God is a good God. We must begin here. Though we don't understand his actions, we can trust his heart.

God does only what is good. But how can death be good? some mourners don't ask this question. When the quantity of years has outstripped the quality of years, we don't ask how death can be good.

But the father of a dead teenager does. The thirty-year-old widow does. How could death be good?

Part of the answer may be found in Isaiah 57:1-2 "Good people are taken away from evil and are given peace. Those who live as God wants finds rest in death."

Death is God's way of taking people away from evil. from what kind of evil? An extended disease? An addiction? A dark season of rebellion? We don't know. But we know that no person lives one day more or less than God intends. "All the days planned for me were written in your book before I was one day old (Psalms 139:16 ).

But her days were so few........

His life was so brief...........

To us it seems that way. We speak of short life, but compared to eternity who has a long one? A person's days on Earth may appear as a drop in the ocean. Yours and mine may seem like a thimbleful but compared to the Pacific of eternity, even the years of Methuselah filled no more than a glass. James was just not speaking to the young when he said, "Your life is like a mist. You can see it for a short time, but then it goes away" (James 4:14).

In God's plan every life is long enough and every death is timely. And though you and I might wish for a longer life. God knows better. And--this is important--though you and I may wish for a longer life for our loved ones, they don't. Ironically, the first one to accept God's decision of death is the one who dies.

While we are shaking our heads in disbelief, they are lifting hands in worship. While we are mourning at a grave, they are marveling at heaven. While we are questioning God, they are praising God.

But what of those who die with no faith? My Husband never prayed. My grandpa never worshiped. My mother never opened a Bible, much less her heart. What about those who never believed?

How do we know he didn't?

Who among us is privy to a person's final thoughts? Who among us knows what transpires in those final moments? Are you sure no prayer was offered? Eternity can bend the proudest knees. Could a person stare into the yawning canyon of death without whispering a plea for mercy? And could our God, who is partial to the humble resist it?

He couldn't on Calvary. The confession of the thief on the cross was both a first and final one. but Christ heard it. Christ received it. Maybe you never heard your loved one confess Christ, but who's to say Christ didn't?

We don't know the final thoughts of a dying soul, but we know this. We know our God is a good God. He is "not willing that any should parish but all come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). He wants your loved one in heaven more than you do. And he usually gets what he wants..

 
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if serial killers dont go to heaven because of sins they havec ommitted, isnt that saying that not all sin is equal, that their is certain sins taht can be forgiven and ones that cant, where do u draw the line then?

Look at our justice system. Where do we draw the line? Does the punishment fit the crime or does the justice system punish everyone by throwing them in jail or by killing them regardless of if you stole a chocolate bar from a grocey store or you murdered a 5 year old child. Are you saying that stealing a chocolate bar and killing a 5 year old is the same crime?
 
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vedickings said:
Wow, thanks for all your replys!!

arunma, nice to see you again:)

Well you can believe what you want, but I think for every bad action, there needs to be a good one to be corrected. Belief in Christ is a good start indeed, but good actions is the devine (God) works:)

I guess you could look at it like a scale. Good on one side, bad on other and you must do things to balance them out. Christians believe Christ takes the bad away so when the time of judgement comes you have on scale, God only gets the good parts.
 
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So who is a true christian? I agree all will sin unknowingly, but is it also necessary to be as sinless as possible consciously? How many christians who call themselves christians will be "true christians"? Do such "non true christians" get heaven?

God knows men's hearts. He will know who truely believes in Him and who doesn't. Who truely loves Him and who doesn't. Only God will be able to open the gates and let those who are sincere in. Christians believe only those who have the Holy Spirit in them get into Heaven.

What I feel is that only christians who have lived their lives in strict accordance with the teachings of Jesus will earn salvation and others wont, if christianity is true. If God could make concessions for christians who did not follow Jesus, then he might extend that concession to everybody else.

I don't know of any part of the Bible that gives Christians who aren't true in their heart concessions.

Yes, I agree, but dont you agree that we have to consciously strive to be the best and not depend on the grace of God after committing many sins knowingly. Especially with respect to this OP, I never think a serial killer irrespective of whether he repents or not is eligible to be with Jesus, because it means a lot of injustice to many people who lived exemplery lives outside Jesus.

Yes a Christian should live the best they can for God. But, it's not about living an exemplery life. All of us sin. Granted most of us aren't killers but we sin none the less. Why should God give any of us a pass? Christ spoke of love of neighbor as one's self. I for one am glad that anyone who comes to God through Christ can enter Heaven.
 
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vedickings said:
Yes, But he has time to work things out, which is by living in good actions for a time.

I'm talking about killers who is going to be [size=-1]executed in 5 hours.
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He didn't work it out - Jesus worked it out for him.

Jesus can work it out for a soon to be executed killer. All the killer has to do is accept the invitation. The sad reality is that most killers have such hard hearts that they can't bring themselves to give up "control" of their lives. :(
 
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