Separation of church and state does not exist!

[John Stefanyszyn]

It is interesting that many churches refer to the belief that church and state are separate as the justification for their belief in the righteousness of freedom of religion.

I would like to point out some important information which will shed a different light on this.

The document of the declaration of independence is based on the claim that the “unalienable rights” of man were given to him by his singular creator, and that this same creator is the author of the “laws of nature and of nature’s god”. This same creator is also referred to as the “supreme judge of the world” and that he provides “the protection of divine providence”. This shows that the belief in freedom of rights and religion originates in the belief of this creator god. If you read the declaration of independence carefully, you will see that it sounds like a prayer to this “creator god”.

Man has not labeled this “creator god” as a religion. Instead, he has been accepted to be the right way of life and existence. The reference to “church” relates to beliefs which have been labeled as religions (churches) as chosen by one’s personal choice. These churches exist under this “creator god” just as the harlots are daughters of the woman riding the beast. As you can see, there is a singular “religious” belief of this state. Therefore, there is no separation of "church" and state. It only seems like it because of the desire for freedom of religion.

The problem is that this “creator god” is not the Father of Jesus Christ. This god that promotes the belief in freedom of rights is not the True and Only God, for Our Father has never accepted man’s belief in his own self-will. As I stated before, God commanded man not to take of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In the Lord’s prayer it is said “for Your will to be done on earth as in heaven”. The True God never said that it was right to worship other religions-gods.

If one looks at the declaration of independence, one can see that the colonies refused to submit to the king based on a number of grievances that their rights were not respected. This is contrary to the teachings of Christ as we are to serve with love the good and evil masters. It is also said that we are to give honor to the king as his authority has been given by God.

The only time that we, as Christians, are not to obey a ruler is when we are directed by that ruler to serve him as a “god” or to serve other gods. An example of this is seen when Shadrach, Meshach, and Adeb-Nego refused to bow down to the image of King Nebuchadnezzar.

As Christ said, “...give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and give to God what belongs to God.”. Israel was under Roman rule. Not once did Christ promote Israel's "unalienable rights" of self-rule and freedom from the Romans.

Let us not bow down to a belief “god” that is placed above the True and Only God

 

[Tim Myers]

I really do not know what to say to all this........

 

[n2thelight]

Would just like to add to what John has already posted....

The Myth of SeparationThe Asheville Tribune; By Dr. Ralph Sexton of "We Still Pray"August 18, 2000; Commentary.​

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; . . . ."

-- The First Amendment of the United States Constitution.​

The Supreme Court's ruling that forbids student-led prayer at public schools does not affirm our nation's deep commitment to allowing the practice of religion without government interference. It is just the opposite. Our "founding fathers," men and women of intense faith and great wisdom made sure that we could pray in public. The Supreme Court has reversed what our constitutional architects had designed. It takes only a few minutes of research to destroy the "myth of separation" presented in so many articles and debates.
Many people do not realize the Constitution does not contain the words "separation of church and state." This phrase was not recorded in the discussions of the Constitutional Convention, nor in the records of the subsequent congress that produced the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights.
This phrase was born in a message by Roger Williams. The Danbury Baptist Association of Danbury, Conn. was concerned over a rumor they had heard concerning a "National Denomination." All states encouraged Christianity, yet no state allowed an exclusive state-sponsored denomination. Pastor Williams made the following statement: "When they have opened a gap in the hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world, God hath even broke down the wall itself……"
According to Williams, the "Wall of Separation" was to protect the "garden of the church from the "wilderness of the world."
Because the Danbury Baptists were concerned there would be a state-sponsored denomination, they wrote to the then President Jefferson of their fears. President Jefferson calmed their fears and used a phrase to establish a common ground. On Jan. 1, 1802 he wrote the following: "I contemplate with solemn reverence the act of the whole American people, which declared that their legislature should ''make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;'' thus building a wall or separation between church and state."
David Barton in his research "Separation of Church and State" wrote: "That wall was originally introduced as, and understood to be, a one directional wall, protecting the church from the government." This was also Jefferson's understanding, as conveyed through statements he made concerning the First Amendment.

• That Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist should become a national legal policy is absurd when considering:
• Jefferson made the statement in 1802 -- 13 years after Congress passed the First Amendment
• Jefferson was not a delegate to the 1787 Constitutional Convention and was not a member of Congress in 1789, which framed the First Amendment.
• There is a Constitution where this phrase was found -- the former Soviet Union. Article 52 -- "The Church in the USSR is separated from the state, and the School from the church."
• Our first President, George Washington, never intended for the Supreme Court to ban the Bible in school, the Ten Commandments, prayer and now, student-led prayer.
• In 1779 Washington met with the chiefs from the Delaware Indian tribe as they brought three of their sons to be educated as leaders for the Indians. On May 12, 1779, Washington assured the chiefs that congress will look upon them as their own sons; he then commended them: "You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all the religion of Jesus Christ."

Of the first 108 colleges in America, 106 were founded on the Christian faith. It never ceases to amaze me that we have forgotten American history and abandoned our heritage. This court's ruling is but one more foundation stone of religious freedom being ripped out of our moral foundation. Maybe we should affirm, as a people, we still pray! While we are praying, we can petition the Congress to make the Supreme Court accountable to the people instead of a government unto themselves.
Hugh Hewitt, in his Searching for God in America started the section on "America's Spiritual Treasury" with the Mayflower Compact in 1620. It states the very purpose of our nation's existence was for the "glory of God and advancement of the Christian faith."
In 1892 the Supreme Court ruled in "Church of the Holy Trinity vs. United States." The court states: "This is a religious people. This is historically true from the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation……These are not individual sayings, declarations of private persons; they are organic utterances; they speak the voice of the entire people……"
"These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation." This affirms that the court of 2000 is wrong and is destroying the very heritage that gave us morals and character.

Editor's Note: The First Amendment of the Constitution, with regard to religious freedom, states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;.."
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God bless you in your observation of the signs, the discernment of the truth, and your studies of His Word; in the Precious and Powerful name of Jesus Christ.

 

[ittarter]

Haven't you already posted this, John?