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I don't know about the laws regarding privacy - but regardless - that invasion of "privacy" (and I put that in quotes - because I do not think there ought to be that type of 'privacy' between married folks in this context) gave you the answers you need to what's actually going on.

That's what's important.
 
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"I know one thing, document, document, document, and keep records as much as possible. It will help, I assume. 5kd

Good Point !

"My case is tough, considering the involvement of 5 kids and all. I know the thing that bothers me, and maybe you. My STBX seems to be living her life to the fullest, and when I confronted her, she flatly denied the whole thing. Even with the evidence that I had, she denied it, and then proceeded to rip me a new one about how I was destrroying her and the kids, and the family. No, it is her that is doing all of that. I don't know how your spouse will react when you confront them about it, but don't be supprised if they deny it. That is a definite possibility. I hope not, and that you can try to get some of this in the open, and begin to heal. 5kd

Mine wife definitely did not want anything in the open. She WAS very embarrassed about people at church finding out. She seems to have moved on to the point that " It happens all the time" "No big deal" She treats me as though I was the one having the affair. That I must do most of the 'changing' if she is coming back home. I'm at the point that I have no intention of asking her back home. I don't want her as she is right now.

I know that I would feel better if my STBX would admit it to me, and stop trying to manipulate me to do what she wants. And I know that taking the high road in all of this is tough, but I truly believe that God will honor that action that you take. I have wanted to act out in anger, and honestly have, but have been able to stop before it consumed me. Prayer...it helps. The toughest thing I face is being away from my precious children. I am praying for you, MP.

For me...my benefit is that I have our two youngest. I could not imagine her trying to parent them for the both of us. Heck, she needs parenting herself. She acts like a teenager.
 
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I have a note because I am at work but I can elaborate more at a later time.

First, my suggestion to expose the affair(s) is not in the effort to "get back at him" or "hurt him like he hurt you" or any of that stuff. The GOAL--the reason for it--is that your marriage may or may not be "save-able" but I can GUARANTEE you it won't be saved as long as there is an affair going on! So for the best chance to maybe be able to save it, goal #1 is to end the affair.

So, you tell your family and your pastor and any "church friends" who are pro-marriage because you will want and need their support, emotionally and spiritually. The hope is that the pastor will tell your hubby, "MAN! Leave you mistress, stop this unfaithful pattern, and put that effort into making yourself and your marriage better." But I'm warning you now, that may not happen. You would think it should, but pastors are humans too and sometimes they are afraid to lose a member of their congregation. Then you would tell his parents and siblings because the hope is that they will tell him, "Man, honor your vows and go home to your wife!" Again, just a warning the families will rarely do this. They usually "support" the unfaithful one because they are afraid to stand up and say the right thing--or they mistakenly want to encourage the unfaithful one "to be happy." BLECH! :sick:

The end-game GOAL of exposure is not to embarrass them or show someone else their confidential stuff--it's to end the affair!

You know how he as been unfaithful for some time now but he had slowly-but-surely sort of convinced you it was YOU with the problem not him...and slowly-but-surely sort of convinced you that YOU wanted to leave not him? Yeah--this is a pattern that unfaithful spouses will do if they are the ones who "tell" people like the pastor or the family. They will GRADUALLY point out to individuals how YOU have a temper, and YOU constantly nag and criticize, and how YOU aren't mature, and (blahblahblah) so that they are justified and even sometimes SUPPORTED in leaving you because you are just too unstable to stay with! (BTW--completely forgetting to mention that the reason you were in a rage was because you just found the mistress' undies in his pocket..or that you were nagging and criticizing him for spending family money on another woman! :p) By saying something now, you can put a stop to all that. And exposure now would not be forwarding his sexy emails to another woman or the pastor. That's ewwwwy! :) No it would be more like this:

"Hi <name> this is me, MP. Hey I am just contacting to let you know that <spouse> and I are going through a really difficult time in our marriage right now. I have found physical evidence that proves to me that he has been sexually involved with another woman, and I'm just not dealing with that too well. I would like to ask you to join with me praying for our marriage, and to please help me help him to do the right thing and honor our commitment to each other. As you might imagine, finding out that my spouse has been unfaithful is killing me, but even though I'm upset about it I would like to give us every possible chance of recovering and I want to at least try! I'm not sure what the future holds but I would sure appreciate your support, encouragement and prayers."

(Please note, don't say "he's cheating" because that could be unfaithfulness physically, emotionally, etc. Nope, this isn't a "crush"--it's a physical AFFAIR and explicit sex with someone else.)

(deep breath)

Second, I can almost guarantee you that if you get up your courage and do expose, that he is going to be mad as a wet hen (and that is MAD! :mad:). Here's why. Envision a drug addict. How do they react when you cut off their supply? Raging and frantic? Uh huh. Infidelity is actually a LOT like drug addiction because the person becomes addicted to the "high" of the chase, the "high" of the secrecy and sneaking, and the "high" of the goosey in-love feelings. So when he rages and carries on, just envision a drug addict and you just cut off his supply. Okay? He's going to say stuff like this: "HOW could you do this to me? How could you break my trust and sneak into my email?" You get the drift right? Now, that kind of talk is what I call Infidelity Babble. If you actually look at it, it's ridiculous! How could you (his wife) have the nerve to look into a life he is purposely hiding from you? How could HE break YOUR trust and have sex with someone else? See how silly his blame is? Seriously--it's just blame SILLY! :p So ignore all that bluster and blowing and chalk it up to Babble. If he says, "You have embarrassed me! I can't believe you put our private dirty laundry out there for everyone to see! This is between us!" just don't let it sink it, because in real life, his choice to turn to someone else for sex is the embarrassing behavior. His choice to DO IT is what is causing his embarrassment, not your honesty about what's going on. So see what I mean? It's just BABBLE and trust me, unfaithfuls are FULL of it!

Okay--more thoughts later, but for now I say take the explicit emails, photos etc. and save them to a safe HD outside the house -and- print them and keep the copies outside the house. Here's why. My ex found out I had copies of his cybersex and he broke into the house and did delete *.* on my C:\ drive in an attempt to erase the evidence. Too bad for him, I had the evidence printed and stored outside the house--plus since he broke in I also had reason to mention to the judge that he broke into the house and damaged property. :(

So (breathe). I know life inhales in a vacuum-like way, but you can do this! And you will survive too! :hug:


~Faithful

P.S. If you expose, and on the occasion act a little nutty, people will be able to say, 'Well of course she's a bit frazzled--her husband is cheating!" If you do not and you act a bit nutty ('cuz let's face it, when you first find this out you are NOT yourself!) people will say, "Wow what's her issue? Man she needs a therapist!" :p So see? It's telling the truth IN LOVE--not revenge, and not exaggerating--just say what is TRUE.
 
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Good Point !



Mine wife definitely did not want anything in the open. She WAS very embarrassed about people at church finding out. She seems to have moved on to the point that " It happens all the time" "No big deal" She treats me as though I was the one having the affair. That I must do most of the 'changing' if she is coming back home. I'm at the point that I have no intention of asking her back home. I don't want her as she is right now.



For me...my benefit is that I have our two youngest. I could not imagine her trying to parent them for the both of us. Heck, she needs parenting herself. She acts like a teenager.

MKD, she does need parenting herself, and has been relying on her mom to raise my kids while she goes to the places where she met this "soulmate." And yes, she has treated me as though I was the one having the affair.

EZ, you are so right, there should be no privacy between married people in this regard, and was told so by one attoorney, but was warned that it was gray by another. We have been able to find out through our channels, and have had to try and stop the affairs.

FW, you are so right in a lot of what you say. The family tends to rally around the one who has the affair...even when presented with evidence. They did, in my case, wind up backing her instead of doing what was right. Mad, my oh my, mad. When I told the family, and it was time to tell her, she had found out, and did it hit. Scream, cry, yell, you name it, it happened. She had to lie so much to convince her family, and went to our Pastor, and told him that I was lying and passing false evidence against her. I wouldn't believe her if the Lord was standing next to her.

MP, it is ok to feel "nutty" as FW put it. You have just found out something that has your world turning upside down. You will run the gambit of emotions, I know I still do. Keep praying and believing. Speak to your minister, and ask him for some Godly advice. The Lord will see you through, as long as you put your trust and faith in Him.

God bless,

5kd
 
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FW, have I told you recently how much I love you? LOL

What kind of external storage would I look for? A flash drive or USB stick or something? Store it in my work locker? I haven't printed anything, some of the photos make me gag to see them, nevermind making a paper copy of it. Blech.

I sat with my church choir director last night and told her what I found. I'm expecting I will be talking with my pastor and probably our small group this coming weekend. I will definitely use your suggestion to let them know where we stand right now.

ALSO!! I had a very interesting phone conversation today! The Aussie woman/friend/counselor called here today, and I got to talk to her. In the course of this conversation, she confirmed something I had in evidence from my hacking! He's been forwarding our personal and intimate emails to her and to OTHER friends all along, even after I've specifically asked him not to. So it's not about the infidelity, but it's a confirmation of some lies he's told to me. Little by little. It was as though I was being given evidence to use that I don't have to be so anxious about the source. I told her that I have been suspicious, and that when I really do think about it (and I REALLY do), my instinct tells me that's he's been unfaithful. And it is true, I have extraordinary intuition, and we also know that cheaters give themselves away in a thousand little behaviours. She tells me that she doesn't know anything about that from him directly (she's been his counselor for a dozen years and is privy to more intimate information about him than even I am, like I'll believe THAT! OH!! And she already knows!!! he forwarded his online conseling transcripts to her, and he admits to having affairs in those!!! Gotcha you lying stinker!!), but that she'll try to talk to him this weekend and try to get something out of him. More like, "Psst, dude, she's on to you"...

Interesting conversation for sure, how much she's covering up for him. There is a reason I don't trust her in his ear.
 
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Flash drive or USB stick is good! :thumbsup: And at some point just guts up and print them, because you can lose USB drives or accidentally put them by a magnet, etc. Better to have backup to your backup.

Note #2: Get a Day-Minder calendar--you know like an At-A-Glance daily calendar. On this calendar just DOCUMENT when something happens, and "just the facts." So I'm not talking a daily journal here where you write all your feelings. Nope, this is just a calendar with hourly markings, and you document stuff like: "5pm Kids scheduled to visit <spouse>"
7:30pm <Spouse> shows up to pick up kids, no call. "

Or

"3:00pm Sent <spouse> certified copy of tax forms via USPS tracking #123456789 return receipt"

4 days later at 3:00pm "Received return receipt from taxes sent to <spouse>"

See what I mean? Just document. If they say something weird but germane to the situation, just briefly write about it factually. Like the day my soon-to-be-ex broke into the house I might have written:

9:00pm "Returned home from support group, back door was unlocked. Noticed papers in office were moved around. Tried to turn on PC, no OS and HD is wiped. Found cabinets open and sledgehammer marks in the walls--see photos"

See what I mean? If your spouse threatens stuff, or wipes out a bank account, or does pay a bill when they promised they would, just document it. And by the way, I want to politely point out that this is not a "get the husbands" tactic either, but a wise tactic to use with any unfaithful spouse male or female--because I'm telling ya their heads are NOT clear!!

Here's the sort of thing I used to hear from my very confused ex:

"I never meant to hurt you" (Oh? Betraying my trust and sleeping with someone else wouldn't hurt me? :p)

"I didn't plan this, it just happened" or "I can't help who I fall in love with" (So the other person fell out of the sky onto your privates on accident, huh? :p)

"The kids will be happy for me that I found someone who loves me." (Their family is falling apart; they have to leave their friends, home, and school; and you don't care that you're hurting them. They are NOT happy. )

"G-d wants me to be happy." (No--G-d wants you to love and obey Him and honor Him by keeping your covenants.)

"We can still be friends." (Actually, no. My "friends" do not lie to my face, steal from me, hurt me, and expect me to like them without apologizing and treating me better!)

Anyway, good day! :thumbsup: More tomorrow!
 
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Ugh I messed up. I got ahead of myself and got all in his face for the lying. I started to toss out "infidelity", but that just got so much worse. He asked what proof I had, and I had to bite my tongue, I mean, bite that thing almost in half!! All I could offer was my "intuition", and he came back with "intuition proves NOTHING". And he's right in that small fact, come to think of it. So I backed off that one fairly quickly, and even sticking back to the lying part, he got TERRIBLY defensive, which is to be expected, like FW said, and said "fine then, we're done. Just make an exit strategy". And even after i promised myself and the friend on the phone that I wouldn't. I just let it all out that I couldn't trust him, that I can't trust where he goes, who he's with or what he does. I can't trust him to keep our privacy, even after I specifically ask him to keep it.

Oh well, I guess this is what we expected for an outcome, it just didn't go QUITE like I envisioned it. Someday, maybe after a thousand other hurts have been healed, he'll admit to it. But even if he never does, I'll still know. I'll still have my proof.

Oh, and I quickly grabbed the offensive pics and some email texts from his emails and saved them, BURIED them, on my hard drive. Soon as I can afford one, I'm gonna go grab a USB drive to put them on.
 
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You know what is so important to recognize here Million Pieces is that the attention that you are craving and feeling like you cannot get from your spouse looks 'so captivating' on the outside. Meaning that co-worker, or friend from next door or whatever who shows you a small percentage of what you are looking for is going to look like pure gold when you get it. Be oh so careful.

Yes, it is so hard to pick up old stuff and repair it, but it's YOUR stuff. When my husband left me, my self esteem was so low, I craved anything at that moment. I thank God I didn't fall too low but I did do things that I know good and well wasn't in my best interest. Oh my goodness, thank God for grace and allowing me to catch myself and get my act together. Yes, I am alone now because my husband is out there doing who knows what, but MY conscious is clear. I'm stepping out on faith and allowing God to be God and do what He see fits. Whether its us getting back together or bringing me a man who will first love Him (God) and love him enough to know that he who finds a wife, finds favor with the Lord and want to be a blessing for me and my kids. I still believe in love, I still believe in God.

Whatever you do, do it with integrity.

Your last sentence is just what I needed to read right now! Thanks.
 
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