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[Hvizsgyak]

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  I don't encourage physical punishment but a figurative "slap in the face" is definitely what a lot of disruptive students in the classroom need. Send them to the office to have a talk with the principal, in school suspension or out of school suspension. If it needs to be done every day, do it. Let the administration handle the problem. If the administration says the teacher needs to handle the situation (and the teacher has), get the union involved. Here is the big problem (and a lot of parents are really in the dark about it) students think they are on equal standing with their teacher - they aren't. Students need to respect the authority of the teacher and this needs to be taught in schools starting in kindergarten. Unfortunately, a lot of students don't listen to their parents so they bring that same attitude to the classroom. It needs to be crushed when they are young because the students take it for a ride as they get older.
  
  
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I just had my response comment censored by MSN so I wanted to bring the whole argument here to do some more discussing of the subject. I responded to a person who said "students in the classroom need to be slapped up a little more often". Now I know students should never be touch by a teacher not alone "slapped up a little" but I responded to the person's comment by saying "I don't encourage physical punishment but a figurative "slap in the face" is needed...". Now the reason I said that is because my wife is a teacher and she along with growing number of teachers are get overwhelmed by disruptive students in classrooms. There is NO respect for teachers in the classroom and alot of students are just sitting in the classrooms socializing with others (and being disruptive) or they are on their cell phones. It has gotten very bad everywhere. These are some of my other comments on the subject:

• • I agree with you that some students learn better by watching something than by listening. But the teacher should be the one who runs the slide presentation, video, and electronic easels. Students should NEVER be allowed to have cell phones in the classroom and their computers should only be allowed to be connected to what the teacher wants them to be connected to. My wife is a high school teacher (for about 18 years) and one of her biggest problems in the classroom are students on social media and not paying attention to her presentation. When you try to correct these students they get defensive with the teacher. Back in the day when there was more respect for the teacher and his/her authority in the classroom, it would have been fine to bring notebooks, laptops or cell phones into the classroom. Now, students think they are the center of the universe and they can do what they want in the classroom. So, the hammer now has to come down on them because they aren't even trying to learn anything. They just want to socialize. Now, we can talk about how we should give kids a decent social time during the school day but during class time, it's pay attention time.
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    Because they are not using the social media to learn. They are using it to socialize with their friends and not paying attention to what is being taught to them. If the teacher had control of what the student is watching on his/her notebook, laptop, cell phone then it would work well. What happens then is the student does lousy in the class, parent/student blame the teacher when it was the student's fault in the first place by not paying attention. My wife is a teacher and every teacher she has worked with over the years, identifies this as the biggest problem. In the one school, the administration got smart and they gave teachers a software package that allowed them to see what each student was doing on their notebook, laptop or cell phone. This allowed the teacher to shut down any social media programs that students weren't suppose to be using during class time.

Any other thoughts in the classroom? What should students be allowed to bring to class? What can be done about student's visiting social media sites during class time?

 

[Yttrium]

Back in my day, we didn't have no fancy-pants smartphones or computers. Nope, just a pen and a notebook.

Pen and a notebook.

I doodled in class.

 

[RileyG]

I think social media has done us a lot of harm. That's true.

 

[Nithavela]

I'm sorry that your comment has been censored, but I would hardly call this "newsworthy".

 

[iluvatar5150]

Hitting people isn’t a way to command respect.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Here is the big problem (and a lot of parents are really in the dark about it) students think they are on equal standing with their teacher - they aren't. Students need to respect the authority of the teacher and this needs to be taught in schools starting in kindergarten.

One of the issues has been some of the self-contradicting rhetoric coming from a portion of the right with regards to teachers, and public education, more broadly.

"the rebelliousness of youth" already predisposes a percentage of young people to not want to respect teachers' authority...that gets compounded by the fact that 30% of adults (many of them parents of public school children) have just gotten done spending the last 2 years expressing contempt for public school teachers (calling them everything from "woke indoctrinators" all the way up to much more insulting things like "groomers")

It would seem as if it's a "pick your poison" situation.

People can't say, in front of their kids, "public school teachers are just running indoctrination camps trying to turns kids liberal", and in the next breath, "respect authority figures"

It's sort of like when parents are going through an ugly divorce or separation, obviously they have some serious differences and issues, but the one thing they tell the parents NOT to do: "Don't run down the other parent in front of the kids"

Sitting at the dinner table saying "teachers are just trying to <insert nefarious thing here>" erodes confidence and respect in adult authority figures the same way it would if a mother was sitting there with her friends, in front of the kids, telling them "yeah, me and John are getting divorced because he can't keep it in his pants and slept with that harlot that works in his office"

 

[RileyG]

I'm sorry that your comment has been censored, but I would hardly call this "newsworthy".

That's fair. A lot of comments get censored on Yahoo! as well.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

I'm sorry that your comment has been censored, but I would hardly call this "newsworthy".

Why Schools Should Ban Cell Phones in the Classroom, and Why Parents Have to Help

New study shows it takes a young brain 20 minutes to refocus after using a cell phone in a classroom

www.bu.edu

States weigh school cell phone bans atop district policies

More than 75% of U.S. K-12 public schools prohibit non-academic cellphone use as of 2022 but a handful of states - both Red and Blue - want more laws.

www.usatoday.com

I don't bring the article here to the Christian Forum so we can talk about how MSN is censoring people's responses. I bring the article to continue commenting on the article where nothing will get censored. My wife is a teacher and cell phones have been a problem in the classrooms through the years. Students are texting their friends, watching TikTok, cheating on tests or doing other things on the cell phone other than paying attention in class. Many students get very rude if you try to stop them from using their phones in class. The most important thing about all this is that it takes away from students who want to learn.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

One of the issues has been some of the self-contradicting rhetoric coming from a portion of the right with regards to teachers, and public education, more broadly.

"the rebelliousness of youth" already predisposes a percentage of young people to not want to respect teachers' authority...that gets compounded by the fact that 30% of adults (many of them parents of public school children) have just gotten done spending the last 2 years expressing contempt for public school teachers (calling them everything from "woke indoctrinators" all the way up to much more insulting things like "groomers")

It would seem as if it's a "pick your poison" situation.

People can't say, in front of their kids, "public school teachers are just running indoctrination camps trying to turns kids liberal", and in the next breath, "respect authority figures"

It's sort of like when parents are going through an ugly divorce or separation, obviously they have some serious differences and issues, but the one thing they tell the parents NOT to do: "Don't run down the other parent in front of the kids"

Sitting at the dinner table saying "teachers are just trying to <insert nefarious thing here>" erodes confidence and respect in adult authority figures the same way it would if a mother was sitting there with her friends, in front of the kids, telling them "yeah, me and John are getting divorced because he can't keep it in his pants and slept with that harlot that works in his office"

I agree with you. I have a like/dislike view of teachers (of course not of my wife ). I'm in the mindset that there are a lot of teachers who disregard administration/state law on talking about certain topics in their classroom which has nothing to do with what they teach. And I feel parents should have a say on those wrongful topics so that they aren't discussed in the classroom.

Then on the other hand, the teachers need help in maintaining order in their classrooms (when it comes to disruptive students) but parents fight those teachers tooth and nail in helping those teachers out because their children are "saints". It's a mess and trying to fix the problem is going to take time. Unfortunately, how many students will fail in the process.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I agree with you. I have a like/dislike view of teachers (of course not of my wife ). I'm in the mindset that there are a lot of teachers who disregard administration/state law on talking about certain topics in their classroom which has nothing to do with what they teach. And I feel parents should have a say on those wrongful topics so that they aren't discussed in the classroom.

Then on the other hand, the teachers need help in maintaining order in their classrooms (when it comes to disruptive students) but parents fight those teachers tooth and nail in helping those teachers out because their children are "saints". It's a mess and trying to fix the problem is going to take time. Unfortunately, how many students will fail in the process.

There's been something over a "lowering of standards" in several districts as well. Both in terms of curriculum and criteria, as well as overall funding for facilities, materials, and getting more teachers and better teachers.

There's some blame to go around on that aspect.

One facet is that the parents in the wealthier districts have fought tooth and nail to keep their kids schools nice, while letting other ones in "other" communities fall through the cracks, by way of insisting on staying with the model of "the property taxes of the community are what funds the schools" rather than having the taxes go into a state-level general fund, which can then be dispensed to the various districts. If there's anything that solidifies as "poor families stay poor" pattern, it's that.

Another facet is that the school districts themselves have gone to the cookie jar (with school levies) one too many times for frivolous stuff - based on the proclivities of the school boards and a handful of the parents - and when it comes time try to pass another one for something that's actually needed (updated textbooks, money to hire 5 new teachers, new lab equipment), people push back hard on those "We just voted in favor of 3 new levies in the last 10 years!! No, we're not voting for another one".

Another facet is that in some districts, the teachers' unions have accumulated a bit too much leverage and while many teachers are underpaid in a lot of districts, in others, you have teachers making a ton of money, completely detached from what kind of results they're producing.


For items #2 & #3 I mentioned, I saw that back when I was in high school (which is going back over 20 years at this point), and the same thing is still going on at the district. Even when I was going there, the Student to Teacher ratios were too high, we using text books from the 1980's when it was the year 2001, and they were passing levies for getting a new "athletic training complex" built...because board members (and many parents in the area) apparently cared more about kids' performance on the field than they did about their performance in the classroom.

And we despite having outdated books and lab equipment (and being 4th of the bottom in terms of test scores for the region), we had teachers driving BMWs...and believe me when I say, many of them were simply phoning it in and counting down the days to retirement. One history teacher stands out in that regard, because he openly admitted as much...it was my Sr. year history class, it was his last year of teaching, we watched movies 2-3 days a week. We had to get permission slips signed because the Mel Gibson movie "The Patriot" came out, and the students who were still under 18 had to get parental approval, because he pitched the movie as having "historical value". So while AP 12th grade history class should've been some engaging conversations, we guys were watching Mel whack some red coats with a hatchet, while the young ladies were talking about how cute Heath Ledger was.

 

[stevevw]

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  I don't encourage physical punishment but a figurative "slap in the face" is definitely what a lot of disruptive students in the classroom need. Send them to the office to have a talk with the principal, in school suspension or out of school suspension. If it needs to be done every day, do it. Let the administration handle the problem. If the administration says the teacher needs to handle the situation (and the teacher has), get the union involved. Here is the big problem (and a lot of parents are really in the dark about it) students think they are on equal standing with their teacher - they aren't. Students need to respect the authority of the teacher and this needs to be taught in schools starting in kindergarten. Unfortunately, a lot of students don't listen to their parents so they bring that same attitude to the classroom. It needs to be crushed when they are young because the students take it for a ride as they get older.
  
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/students-need-tech-free-classrooms-opinion/ar-AA1oQk49?ocid=UCPNC2&pc=U531&cvid=b726edf33b314cdf9424befdfbb4a955&ei=15#comments&commentId=1252df72-45a1-452e-8c80-9c68ca4495c7

I just had my response comment censored by MSN so I wanted to bring the whole argument here to do some more discussing of the subject. I responded to a person who said "students in the classroom need to be slapped up a little more often". Now I know students should never be touch by a teacher not alone "slapped up a little" but I responded to the person's comment by saying "I don't encourage physical punishment but a figurative "slap in the face" is needed...". Now the reason I said that is because my wife is a teacher and she along with growing number of teachers are get overwhelmed by disruptive students in classrooms. There is NO respect for teachers in the classroom and alot of students are just sitting in the classrooms socializing with others (and being disruptive) or they are on their cell phones. It has gotten very bad everywhere. These are some of my other comments on the subject:

• • I agree with you that some students learn better by watching something than by listening. But the teacher should be the one who runs the slide presentation, video, and electronic easels. Students should NEVER be allowed to have cell phones in the classroom and their computers should only be allowed to be connected to what the teacher wants them to be connected to. My wife is a high school teacher (for about 18 years) and one of her biggest problems in the classroom are students on social media and not paying attention to her presentation. When you try to correct these students they get defensive with the teacher. Back in the day when there was more respect for the teacher and his/her authority in the classroom, it would have been fine to bring notebooks, laptops or cell phones into the classroom. Now, students think they are the center of the universe and they can do what they want in the classroom. So, the hammer now has to come down on them because they aren't even trying to learn anything. They just want to socialize. Now, we can talk about how we should give kids a decent social time during the school day but during class time, it's pay attention time.
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    Because they are not using the social media to learn. They are using it to socialize with their friends and not paying attention to what is being taught to them. If the teacher had control of what the student is watching on his/her notebook, laptop, cell phone then it would work well. What happens then is the student does lousy in the class, parent/student blame the teacher when it was the student's fault in the first place by not paying attention. My wife is a teacher and every teacher she has worked with over the years, identifies this as the biggest problem. In the one school, the administration got smart and they gave teachers a software package that allowed them to see what each student was doing on their notebook, laptop or cell phone. This allowed the teacher to shut down any social media programs that students weren't suppose to be using during class time.

Any other thoughts in the classroom? What should students be allowed to bring to class? What can be done about student's visiting social media sites during class time?

I think theres a number of issues happening at the same time. I think over the years authority of teachers and parents has been eroded. I remember maybe 10 or 15 years ago there was a movement by a new progressive social order about students rights. There were many social workers and youth counsellors coming in talking about young peoples rights and protecting them.

That was ok except they went too far and it became student rights over all else including teachers and parents. I think this was part of a bigger movement associated with Rights based and identity politics.

The progressives have this idea that punishment is cruel and mean and we needed to understand young people and make them feel good all the time. That these students and especially those who played up the most were misunderstood and victims of a oppressive system that caused all these problems. It wasn't their fault but the mean old system.

From there it seems to have gone a downhill where students rather than feeling good, included and well adjusted developed behavioural problems and it made things worse. Rather than the age old and tested principle that bad behaviour brings bad consequences the need to take responsibility. It was sending a message that students could get away with misbehaviour because there was no real consequences.

We see this same problem in the judicial system where juvenile crime and misbehaviour has increased. Where young people don't respect the law and will brazenly commit crimes knowing there will be little repercussion. A slap on the wrist or fine or they are put through some community program where they are more or less rewarded for doing wrong.

We see this same ideology with 'Defund the police' or the idea that terror groups like Hamas are not terrorist but misunderstood victims who are standing up for this rights. Or how rioters and looters are victims and only reacting to the oppressive system. Or how Uni students have a right to be antisemetic, cancell speakers and demand the jobs of good professors because of percieved harm.

This is part of an ideology where the value of hard work, sacrifice, merit and facing responsibility for ones actions has been undermined. Where the feelings and rights of subjective identities is upheld over the harsh realities of life. The cotton wooling of young people in the name of not harming or making them feel bad as misplaced compassion.

When in reality it is these hard lessons in life, the feeling bad for wrong and the respect for the wisdom and experience of long held truth principles that have worked and brough law and order.

Relating this back to social media. It seems now social status is more important. So of course students who have been disenfranchised from the system and see it as oppressive are going to see social media as the only world they relate to.

It feeds well into the ideology as its about promoting the self, being an influencer and getting the Likes. This is now the measure of worth and not the behind the scenes hard work and sacrifice and taking responsibility. Its too conforming and the more people can show they are defying the bad old oppressive system the better they percieve their worth.

Its pretty superficial, simple and obvious but that is the new reality being created that social media has brought. Theres a detachment between the world created by social media and the real lived experience. Just like theres a detachment between making students feel good and cotton wooling them from the realities of life.