selling out

[Pete Harcoff]

Can someone answer me why places like ICR, AIG, etc, are so heavily centered on pushing product, while talk.origins doesn't even have their own online store?

I mean, on ICR's site, "online store" is the first link in their menu. On AIG's site, "store" is link #2 (right after "home").

But I have to virtually dig on talk.origins to even find a list of book recommendations (which they don't even sell from their own site).

 

[Nathan Poe]

Today at 12:33 PM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #1

Can someone answer me why places like ICR, AIG, etc, are so heavily centered on pushing product, while talk.origins doesn't even have their own online store?

I mean, on ICR's site, "online store" is the first link in their menu. On AIG's site, "store" is link #2 (right after "home").

But I have to virtually dig on talk.origins to even find a list of book recommendations (which they don't even sell from their own site).

Apparantly, spreading the Lord's word is very high-maintenence, requiring a constant supply of cash, whereas supporting "Godless Atheistic Satanic Evolutionary lies" has much less overhead.

Creationism: Good for the soul, tough on the wallet.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 01:02 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #2  "Godless Atheistic Satanic Evolutionary lies" has much less overhead. 

Yeah, right Evolution would not stand a chance if it were not government funded. It is the only government funded religion there is. It would die a quick death without government funding. Of course indirectly it is promoted by the porno industry. Sense the ACLU is porno funded, and evolution is a part of their godless agenda. Then don't forget the gambling money from state run lotteries that supports the godless agenda in our universities. Not that I am against the lottery, it does help our collage students.

At least Christians are self supporting and do not have to tap the american tax payer to fund their religion. No one is asked to support their agenda who does not agree with it. But they take money out of my pocket to support the government endorsed religion of evolution in our school systems. To purchase text books that promote evolution and so forth.

 

[Lacmeh]

Care to back up your claims?
Perhaps you could explain, why there isn´t such a heated creatinism vs evolution debate in Europe. Can it be, that the Europeans aren´t real Christians and are deceived by Satan?
Or are they just a bit more critical thinking?

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Just when I thought I'd seen it all:

Today at 02:25 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #3 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=656699#post656699)

Of course indirectly it is promoted by the porno industry.

I am becoming convinced that John's rhetoric is probably the best weapon against creationism in these forums.

 

[Doubting Thomas II]

I can't take it anymore, John. The word is spelled "college".

As for the rest of your screed, you've never, when challenged, been able to articulate in what sense evolution is a religion and I don't suppose that's going to change now. But just for fun...are Christians who agree with evolutionary theory people who worship two religions?

 

[Zadok001]

JohnR7:

That's nice. You know what, I'll even give you a free premise on this one. Evolution is government funded. Sure. That's BS, but you can have it. That still doesn't answer the question, which was:

Why do AIG and ICR need to sell products, and do so aggressively, when talk.origins (which is NOT government supported) does not?

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 02:31 PM Lacmeh said this in Post #4

Care to back up your claims? 

Nope, we just make claims, we do not back them up. I thought you had that figured out by now

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 02:48 PM Zadok001 said this in Post #7 Why do AIG and ICR need to sell products,

Um. lets see, scratching my head. Maybe that is how they make a living. What about me  if I sell knives for a living, are you against that also? Or are you just against people makeing a living off of writting books?

Are you against people making a living in general, or just making a living promoting something you disagree with?

 

[Lacmeh]

Still wondering, why this whole creationism vs evolution debate is so preeminent in the US and non existent in Europe.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 02:34 PM Doubting Thomas II said this in Post #6 But just for fun...are Christians who agree with evolutionary theory people who worship two religions?

Well, let me take a wild guess at this one. I would say that you would be refering to the harlot.

Rev. 17:1b "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,

Rev. 17:3b And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy,

Rev. 17:16
    And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Interesting, the very beast that the harlot is riding on, will turn on the women and tear her to shreds.





 

 

[Arikay]

LOL

I couldnt have said it better myself.

John, the fact that you dont back them up is why people no longer take you seriously.

Today at 12:18 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #8 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=656834#post656834)

Nope, we just make claims, we do not back them up. I thought you had that figured out by now

 

[Arikay]

I was wondering this myself.

How come you must Buy creationist tapes and creationist books. But there are multiple non government funded evolutionist sites and experiment papers that give away evolution information for free. All you have to do is do a google search and you have free information. However a creationist site wants you to buy their videos.

It makes you go Hmmmmmm.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 03:34 PM Arikay said this in Post #12
John, the fact that you dont back them up is why people no longer take you seriously.

Oh Yeah, I forgot, I am suppose to be making friends and influencing people.

 

[lithium.]

Today at 02:25 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #3 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=656699#post656699)

Yeah, right Evolution would not stand a chance if it were not government funded. It is the only government funded religion there is. It would die a quick death without government funding. Of course indirectly it is promoted by the porno industry. Sense the ACLU is porno funded, and evolution is a part of their godless agenda. Then don't forget the gambling money from state run lotteries that supports the godless agenda in our universities. Not that I am against the lottery, it does help our collage students.

At least Christians are self supporting and do not have to tap the american tax payer to fund their religion. No one is asked to support their agenda who does not agree with it. But they take money out of my pocket to support the government endorsed religion of evolution in our school systems. To purchase text books that promote evolution and so forth.

Well evolution can't die like you think; a theory does not die or go away just because it's not supported by a government, or whatever. Theories only go away after they have been falsified (and some don't even do that i.e. Creationism). You seem to have it in your mind that if you accept The Theory of Evolution you are not a Christian. And that only liberals accept The Theory of Evolution, well you’re wrong. I know republicans that accept evolution, why because they accept science. I will not understand why you seem to hate the Theory of Evolution so much. It doesn't say anything about your god or any other god. I think you have been talking to the wrong people.

 

[lithium.]

Today at 03:18 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #8 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=656834#post656834)

Nope, we just make claims, we do not back them up. I thought you had that figured out by now

Ahh... Nice to know you like to say things that aren't true.

 

[lithium.]

Today at 03:22 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #9 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=656842#post656842)

Um. lets see, scratching my head. Maybe that is how they make a living. What about me  if I sell knives for a living, are you against that also? Or are you just against people makeing a living off of writting books?

Are you against people making a living in general, or just making a living promoting something you disagree with?

No. People can do whatever they want to make a living, but there promoting something that is a lie. Evolution isn't the devil, it isn't his work, it doesn't say there is or isn't a god.

 

[lithium.]

Today at 03:53 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #14 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=656905#post656905)

Oh Yeah, I forgot, I am suppose to be making friends and influencing people.

Well if you don't want to make trouble why do you keep posting and not backing up your claims. If you didn't want people to say things then only post stuff that can't be backed up.

 

[lucaspa]

Today at 02:25 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #3 
Yeah, right Evolution would not stand a chance if it were not government funded. It is the only government funded religion there is.

Ah, a new myth. Tell me, where are Behe's rejected grant applications?  I've had lots of grants not funded (the funding rate is less than 10% of submitted grants).

Most paleontological research is private funded -- such as National Geographic.  Why can't the creationists use some of their money to fund creationist research?  Perhaps because they too know that creationism is falsified, and don't want to make the situation worse?

Of course indirectly it is promoted by the porno industry. Sense the ACLU is porno funded, and evolution is a part of their godless agenda.

I didn't know ACLU funded research.  Got any info on that?

Then don't forget the gambling money from state run lotteries that supports the godless agenda in our universities. Not that I am against the lottery, it does help our collage students.

Well, it doesn't help research.  So what research on evolution is funded by lottery money?  Please be specific, John.

At least Christians are self supporting and do not have to tap the american tax payer to fund their religion.

Since evolution is not a religion, this doesn't apply.  Religions based on atheism don't get government funding. After all, I don't see the Society for Secular Humanism getting government funding, do you John?

But they take money out of my pocket to support the government endorsed religion of evolution in our school systems. To purchase text books that promote evolution and so forth.

Evolution is not atheism, John. You have been told this before and had it demonstrated to you.  You've never answered those posts.  You just keep repeating the same falsified claim. Kind of like creationism in general, huh?

 

[lucaspa]

Today at 03:18 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #8

Nope, we just make claims, we do not back them up. I thought you had that figured out by now

Yep, we had figured it out. But we keep hoping you will remember the 9th commandment.  As an enemy of Christianity, you of course don't have to adhere to that, do you?