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I think many Christians display these things, avarice, greed, etc. But it is part of our fallen state. It’s not an excuse but it seems the way it is.True but 'self' was a product of the Garden, the original sin we are meant to overcome. Self works great in a self oriented world, but is of no use in the Kingdom.
well it is not an excuse to not try do something about it however. Fight against. with what ever needed. Purify themselves. take their cross on them. strive for virtue. some do get set free with deliverance. after years of struggling. about open doors,and allowing. It is a difference between having a sin nature and a I can`t do anything about it but I am forgiven so lets just ignore it.I think many Christians display these things, avarice, greed, etc. But it is part of our fallen state. It’s not an excuse but it seems the way it is.
Trying to justify oneself.Here is a chance for one of those thread games where people list things. Add your comment to the list of what can be described as human selfishness.
It actually doesn’t work great anywhere; it’s the cause of all our problems here, of our sin. That’s what we’re here to learn, in fact, in this selfish, godless world.True but 'self' was a product of the Garden, the original sin we are meant to overcome. Self works great in a self oriented world, but is of no use in the Kingdom.
Agreed, but the world based on self expects us to go with the flow. We are bombarded daily with everything related to self-absorption from politics/consumerism to prosperity gospels. Even Christianity turned from a Him religion to a me one, more concerned about what's in it for us than God's overcoming adversity. His will be done, not ours.It actually doesn’t work great anywhere; it’s the cause of all our problems here, of our sin. That’s what we’re here to learn, in fact, in this selfish, godless world.
I see, yes, it's easier to go with the flow. At least for a timeAgreed, but the world based on self expects us to go with the flow. We are bombarded daily with everything related to self-absorption from politics/consumerism to prosperity gospels. Even Christianity turned from a Him religion to a me one, more concerned about what's in it for us than God's overcoming adversity. His will be done, not ours.
I didn't say that lol but yes, some do choose to do so, going with the flow, thinking in not doing God's will that they will still get a reprieve. Even Christianity went back to the flow and rejected the ways of the Kingdom which run opposite, parable of the Sower and all that, falling back into the world.I see, yes, it's easier to go with the flow. At least for a time
Ok, and I didnt say-or think you meant- that it's ok to go with the flow-only that it's easier while we're here which is really kind of a given. And I agree-there's lots of "Christian" theology out there that seems to make it ok to disobey, almost laudable to remain in one's sins as if that's some kind of humility or something.I didn't say that lol but yes, some do choose to do so, going with the flow, thinking in not doing God's will that they will still get a reprieve. Even Christianity went back to the flow and rejected the ways of the Kingdom which run opposite, parable of the Sower and all that, falling back into the world.
To steal is to take w/o permit the property of another who has the right to possess it. One who is starving may take the food of another who possesses surplus food. Such an act is not one of theft under the universal right of all to life and the created goods to sustain it.Yes. Such as stealing bread when your family is starving....where have I heard from that before? Hmmm....
To steal is to take w/o permit the property of another who has the right to possess it.
One who is starving may take the food of another who possesses surplus food. Such an act is not one of theft under the universal right of all to life and the created goods to sustain it.
Do you have a principled argument that contradicts the universal right of all to life and the property necessary to sustain it?The problem is that determining who has the right to possess it can be rather subjective. So who determines the 'right to possess' when my version of it differs from your version of it?
That is not my claim.A "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" clause only serves to obfuscate premise number one. What makes one person's 'pursuit of happiness' subordinate to another person's 'pursuit of happiness'?
Thanks for the input!To steal is to take w/o permit the property of another who has the right to possess it. One who is starving may take the food of another who possesses surplus food. Such an act is not one of theft under the universal right of all to life and the created goods to sustain it.
Do you have a principled argument that contradicts the universal right of all to life and the property necessary to sustain it?
However, one's pursuit of happiness is not an unlimited right. If your pursuit of happiness transgresses another's then the regulating principle of justice applies.
We do.And there's the rub, because who gets to decide when your right to the pursuit of happiness supersedes my right to the pursuit of happiness? Your so-called 'regulating principle of justice'? And who gets to determine that?
If we live in community then our social contract extends and limits citizens' rights to pursue happiness.
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