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Breetai

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In light of a discussion in another thread, this might make sure we're on the same page.

Since us Lutherans have a pretty good grasps of scripture and its meaning, what are Lutherans opinions on this?

Personally, I don't think that masturbation by itself can technically be called a sin. But, since it is so often mixed up with sexual fantasy and doesn't involve ones spouse, it becomes sinful in most cases. I think the Lutheran church (LCMS) agrees with this. This is from a link I found while searching the subject at LCMS.org:

To view our sexuality in the context of a personal relationship of mutual love and commitment in marriage helps us to evaluate the practice of masturbation. Quite clearly, chronic masturbation falls short of the Creator's intention For our use of the gift of sexuality, namely, that our sexual drives should be oriented toward communion with another person in the mutual love and commitment of marriage. By its very nature, masturbation separates sexual satisfaction from the giving and receiving of sexual intercourse in the marital union and is symptomatic of the tendency of human beings to turn in upon themselves for the satisfaction of their desires. In childhood, masturbation may often be a form of temporary experimentation. However, children of God are warned against the voluntary indulgence of sexual fantasies as endangering faith and spiritual life. Such inordinate desires are clearly called sin by our Lord (Matt. 5:27). As the child grows and matures, youthful lusts and fantasies (2 Tim. 2:22) are left behind. For those who are troubled by guilt and who seek God's help in overcoming problems in this area, pastors and Christian counselors need to stand ready to offer Christ's forgiveness, remind them of the power of the Holy Spirit to help them lead "a chaste and decent life in word and deed," and hold before them the joys of remaining faithful to what God's Word teaches about His intention for the good gift of sexuality. -https://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2129
 

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I would beg a moderator to delete this thread.

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What's wrong with it?

A few Lutherans were involved in another thread of this topic in another part of the site, and I wanted to see if everyone was in the same mindset on the subject.

If people here think this thread title looks bad, then mods... please delete it. I hope you won't think bad of me for bringing it up.
 
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That was in an appropriate part of the site. Here we discuss theology and other topics that wouldn't make some people uneasy.

But as for is it a sin, bottom line is, you can not perform this action without fantasizing and lust. Jesus says that anyone that even looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery in his heart. This act is a sin.

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That was in an appropriate part of the site. Here we discuss theology and other topics that wouldn't make some people uneasy.
I would rather hear Lutherans POV than liberals and non-Christians.

Still, it's not a huge deal for me. If this will just make some uneasy, perhaps a mod can delete it.
 
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I could care one way or the other about it. I just don't have much to say on the subject other than we should respect the temple of the Holy Spirit and keep it holy. After all He does dwell within us and it's kind of hard sharing it with sinful ideas.
 
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I wonder if the original post is saved someplace on the site?

I ask as this is at the bottom of the original post:
Last edited by Breetai : Today at 05:42 PM.
After the first two posts were posted after mine, I changed my original post a bit to be as least offensive as possible without deleting the whole thing.
 
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But as for is it a sin, bottom line is, you can not perform this action without fantasizing and lust.
Is that so? The Bible makes no mention of this, and I will say that it's at least possible for this to be separated from fantasizing and lust. I don't think many, at least many men, are very capable of this, but how can the possibility not be entertained?

Jesus says that anyone that even looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery in his heart. This act is a sin.
That's a logical fallacy. You're assuming that it always accompanies lust of some sort, but perhaps it doesn't in every case.

I think the article I dug up on LCMS.org agrees with this, although it's worded to completely discourage it. That's probably a good thing.
 
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After the first two posts were posted after mine, I changed my original post a bit to be as least offensive as possible without deleting the whole thing.

Perhaps you could ask a moderator to change the thread title into a form of a question. It just doesn't sit right the way it stands.
 
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Perhaps you could ask a moderator to change the thread title into a form of a question. It just doesn't sit right the way it stands.



We can change the title but I need a suggestion as to what.


I will also say this. I Mod in the ND forum as well and they debated this for monthes in multiple threads. The debate was intence and generated many reports, Finally I shut them all down, so if we are going to discuss this lets do so as Christian adults and also I would like to see discussion and "not debate".

I will be the first one to vote to close it down if causes trouble, but am willing to see friendly discussion if it can be kept in that manner.
 
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Self gratification?



That seems appropiate.

Tofferer, I don't disagree with you, but it can't be deleted until it has been proven to be a problem per rules.

Changing thread title to Self gratification
 
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I will be the first one to vote to close it down if causes trouble, but am willing to see friendly discussion if it can be kept in that manner.
I think the debate whether the topic is offensive or not is as far as this will go...
 
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A little OT but now I am curious. Do Lutherans think masturbation is a sin? Just a Yes or No...is enough. Associated with synodical positions, of course..WELS, LCMS, ELCA. Thanks
...from post #23 in this thread.

No, but... The opening post here has the LCMS position.
 
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