Self-Described Incel and Army Washout Arrested For Weapons, Plot to Kill Women at Ohio University

[essentialsaltes]

An Ohio man federal prosecutors say is an "incel" was charged in federal court this week with attempting a hate crime for his plot to kill women.

Tres Genco, 21, was arrested Wednesday and is also facing charges related to illegally possessing a machine gun, according to the Justice Department.

From August through December 2019, Genco lived in Georgia to attend Army basic training. He was later discharged for "entry-level performance and conduct," according to court documents.

Four days later, prosecutors said Genco started surveillance on a nearby unidentified Ohio university. That same day, he also did an online search for "planning a shooting crime" and "when does preparing for a crime become an attempt," prosecutors said.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Ohio 'incel' who plotted to kill women at college is sentenced to 6 years in prison​

Genco was arrested in 2021 and pleaded guilty in October 2022 to one count of attempting to commit a hate crime.

 

[Chesterton]

Interesting. If I'm a straight white male who's thinking about murdering another straight white male out of hatred, is that a "hate crime"?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Interesting. If I'm a straight white male who's thinking about murdering another straight white male out of hatred, is that a "hate crime"?

Yes, if you are “fueled by misandrist hatred”.

 

[Chesterton]

Yes, if you are “fueled by misandrist hatred”.

But not if it's just regular hatred?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

But not if it's just regular hatred?

On the off chance that you're not being deliberately obtuse, hate crimes are generally defined as crimes motivated by the victim's identity (gender, sexuality, race, religion, etc).

 

[Chesterton]

On the off chance that you're not being deliberately obtuse, hate crimes are generally defined as crimes motivated by the victim's identity (gender, sexuality, race, religion, etc).

Hey I'm just trying to get educated here. You never know, there might come a time in the future when it would be useful to know which kinds of hate are legal and which kinds are illegal.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Hey I'm just trying to get educated here. You never know, there might come a time in the future when it would be useful to know which kinds of hate are legal and which kinds are illegal.

In that case, I would suggest reading the relevant laws rather than asking a bunch of internet randos with no legal expertise.

 

[Chesterton]

In that case, I would suggest reading the relevant laws rather than asking a bunch of internet randos with no legal expertise.

Good idea. In the meantime I'll just continue to only commit love crimes.

 

[The Barbarian]

I'm thinking that this "incel" better pray that his fellow inmates don't figure out why he's in there.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Interesting. If I'm a straight white male who's thinking about murdering another straight white male out of hatred, is that a "hate crime"?

You can't hate a white person...not enough emotional capital.

You can dislike a white person, but since they Iack emotional capital....you can't hate them.

Yes, if you are “fueled by misandrist hatred”.

I don't think we should try to punish people for thinking.

Thinking about something is a crime?

 

[7thKeeper]

You can't hate a white person...not enough emotional capital.

You can dislike a white person, but since they Iack emotional capital....you can't hate them.

Well that's just plain incorrect.

I don't think we should try to punish people for thinking.

Thinking about something is a crime?

Thinking about something, no. If those thoughts fuel you to act in an illegal manner upon them? Yes, they would be considered.

 

[Whyayeman]

From the cited article:
A federal grand jury has charged a self-identified “incel” with attempting to conduct a mass shooting of women and with illegally possessing a machine gun.

Only in America!

 

[durangodawood]

From August through December 2019, Genco lived in Georgia to attend Army basic training. He was later discharged for "entry-level performance and conduct," according to court documents.

Isnt basic training supposed to be entry level?

 

[Whyayeman]

I don't think we should try to punish people for thinking.

Thinking about something is a crime?

Of course not!

This was no thought crime. My reading of the cited NPR article leads me to think this man was doing a bit more than thinking - amounting to a plausible risk to life. There must come a point when police action is necessary. It is a judgment, I suppose.

 

[Chesterton]

You can dislike a white person, but since they Iack emotional capital....you can't hate them.

Well that's not good. I need protection. I'm going to write my congressman and urge him to draft legislation protecting me from "dislike crime". And just to be on the safe side I'm going to seek harsher penalties for "indifference crime", you know, when you kill someone you don't really have emotional feelings about one way or the other. And then maybe I'll think of some other stuff. I will not stop until I fix humans.

 

[durangodawood]

People acting like state of mind has never been a consideration in the seriousness of a criminal charge.

 

[Chesterton]

People acting like state of mind has never been a consideration in the seriousness of a criminal charge.

Apart from inchoate offenses, I don't think it ever has been. State of mind can be a factor when a convicted person is being sentenced, but I don't think it was ever an element of the charge. I'm no lawyer, I could be wrong, but I can't think of any examples.

Plus, I'm uncomfortable with the idea that killing one human is more "serious" than killing another human. I'm egalitarian that way.

 

[durangodawood]

Apart from inchoate offenses, I don't think it ever has been. State of mind can be a factor when a convicted person is being sentenced, but I don't think it was ever an element of the charge. I'm no lawyer, I could be wrong, but I can't think of any examples.

I dont think so. Typically the jury pronounces the name of the crime when they declare guilty or not, right? "... Guilty of murder in the second degree". Thats prior to sentencing. At least that what I learned from tv courtroom dramas which surely would alway be legally realistic. Either way, at some stage in the legal process state of mind comes into play for determining consequences of guilt for murder.

Plus, I'm uncomfortable with the idea that killing one human is more "serious" than killing another human. I'm egalitarian that way.

Im fine with it. Or else we couldnt even legally distinguish accident or negligence from intentional murder.

 

[BCP1928]

People acting like state of mind has never been a consideration in the seriousness of a criminal charge.

It might even be a defense if his attorneys can show that he was motivated by delusional beliefs.