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Before I begin, I do not want trouble. I seek advice, truth and help. But, I do not want coments that will straight out have a holier than thou attitude. None of us, no matter what "status of faith" we have, should judge and ignore a cry.

Lets go back to Day One. A little girl, who cannot understand for the life of her why boys have cooties, or why some look cute. A little girl who wanted to be like a little boy, who hated dresses and barbie dolls. If anything, she wanted to watch Star Wars and hang out with guys because she could relate to them. She hated being a girl, she did not want to be one of them. But at the same time, she liked girls in a cute way. When little girls swooned over a prettyboy, I would see a side to some girls that I would like in a sense.

When I first heard of lesbians, it did get me thinking... "Am I one of those types?". No! I couldn't! It was bad to love girls! The bible said so, my Mother and Father tell me they are all evil people that will be destroyed eventually, and all my friends seem to hate them! There was no way this could be real. It must be a work of the Devil, surely. I kept it secret for a while.

From 12 years of age up until this year, I have been going through the worst years of my life. I kept telling myself, "You cannot be attracted to her". And even those of you that tell me its right to force yourself to think that way, you are so wrong its beyond not funny anymore. I threw myself into a depressive state where at times, I wanted to harm myself. I had dreams that would haunt me at night. Girls at school would bully me and tease me for not dating guys. I simply hid in my box of shame and anxiety and said "I can't, I'm not ready". I hated myself for thinking of other girls instead of other boys. More than once a week, I would cry to God asking for help. "Why should I carry this burden, oh Lord?" I would cry. My heart aches, my soul weeps and my spirit was stuck in traffic. As a result, my mind had gone nuts.

I was going through anxiety attacts and panic attacks. I would want to die whenever I heard someone say that lesbians or gays were going to perish. I so thought I had my attraction under control, but I didn't. I was slowly spiralling into self hatred and denial of myself. I even asked boys out, to keep myself covered from rumours. I was assaulted (not raped, but touched inappropriately), abused and mistreated by most men. Side note, men are not shallow. I refuse to believe that. However, this just piled on to my feelings of un-attractiveness towards man.

I used to attend church with my family. I wanted so badly for the pastor to say something that would change me, but it never came. Instead, I felt shot down. By this stage, I had made friends with gays, but I knew no lesbians. They constantly told me that christians would tell them how they are sinning, bringing them down for their preference and even throwing them out of groups of friends for being the way they are. To me, I felt like a coward for watching my friends, who were so dear and had kind hearts, being shot down by people who tell everyone what they have to do and live by.

And here it comes: I went to a christian youth church known as Planetshakers. All the Aussie youth here should know of it. It is there to empower a generation, to lift up all youth and to keep the faith just as it should be: true. I met her, a beautiful girl who, in many ways, was a lot like me. Her name won't be mentioned. I met her a few times and thought she was fun to talk to. Fast forward half a year, and she is back. An event for women, held by Planetshakers and run for women of God. We stayed together all day, and I knew: I fancied her.

About a month or so passes, I tell her I love her. That was yesterday. About two weeks before, I told myself I was who I was, and there is nothing under God that will change that. I cried to God for help and advice, I asked older christian friends and leaders but alas, it was the same. Leaders were blunt- "You're a sinner, change and come back", even though they said to forgive, to not judge and to reach out to those needing help.

And now, for the help. Homework for you lot, answer truthfully. Without the judgement.

a) Christians are people of God who are doing a heroic deed: saving people. Jesus has already saved the world. Now, did Superman ever fly up to a situation where say, Timmy was stuck in a well and said to him, "Well son, you shouldn't have been near there in the first place" and flew away, leaving poor Timmy to die? No. He went in and saved him cause he was in trouble. Now, pretend you're Superman, minus the underpants look. Would you see a friend who has fallen down a pit of sin, only to turn your nose and say "Well, you've sinned. Tough buttons" and walked on? Think about this one.

b) Why is love an encouraged act in the bible, but when two of the same sex are involved, its evil? I know theres the reproduction factor, but hasn't technology surpassed that?

c) I have had it with this one- "Maybe God wants you to stay single". No... I can't. I love too much, I want to love someone and to have someone in my arms. Sure, if God wants me to, he will tell me. But he won't tell me through a bunch of strangers on the internet either.

*sigh*. There. All done.
 

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Hi Kittencat,

I will pray for you in church tomorrow as I can tell you are struggling hugely and are in great turmoil.

You likened God to Superman and said Superman would never refuse to save a boy who was stuck in a well because he shouldn't have been there. Well although I don't think making this comparison begins to do justice to the Almighty, as far as the situation you've described I think most Christians would understand what you're saying and agree with it: God forgives us, even we've done something foolish, because he knows we're imperfect and his Son gave his life that we might be redeemed.

However, just as Superman doesn't save the villains so God's mercy is reserved for those who fail through weakness rather than through intent and who truly repent from the bottoms of their hearts. You know that Satan is tempting you with desires the Bible tells you are wrong. You now have to do everything in your power to avoid committing the sin that the Devil is tempting you with.

Please don't think about what other people will think about you or say, BTW - only God's judgment really counts. Maybe one of the reasons you don't feel anything for men is that you've been going out with guys just so you appear 'normal' to other girls, so you just don't have a bond of love with them, and perhaps because they don't have that feeling either, they've tried to use you, which has made it even harder for you to have a loving relationship with a man.

I think you have to put this girl out of your mind. Maybe go to another Christian youth group where she isn't, and make an effort to be friends with a lot of guys. One day there will be one that you find really lovely, and he will ask you out, and it will all develop from there, with God's blessing...
 
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Kittencat,
i just wanted to say to you that relationships and sexuality are the components of many things. the younger a person is, the more they need to exsperiance these components. like our body and brain changing to an adult. i'm thinking that you are still growing and learning about these things. so, don't sentance your life to be a certain way. you asked God to change you. there is time. He hasn't deserted you. God teaches us at the pace we learn. we also can fight Him too. He is faithful. He won't leave you. pour yourself into things of God and pray for wisdom.
 
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Hello Kittencat, welcome to CF! I really like your name!

Anyway, I do understand parts of your struggle because I'm still there myself. Same-sex attraction really was a much more common problem than I had thought it was. It was just that people thought it was taboo and nobody ever talked about it. I think it's very brave of you to come out - this will be the first time I'm admitting to a public reading this I'm struggling with this, six years after it started. I'm not so much attracted to real life people, but more about porn...oh dear, I'm totally screwing up my reputation on CF...anybody who does a post search on me will find out...what the hell. Let them find out. My weakness is strong in God.

Anyway, some strategies I have used to combat it:
1. Talking to somebody who trusts and understands. For me it is talking to two other Christians who also have same-sex attractions. We understand each other and support each other.
2. Do not try to suppress those feelings - try to replace them. Usually when I start getting those thoughts I draw a cross in the air with my finger to remind myself that my old self is dead and I'm having a new self. I replace my sinful thoughts with thoughts of God etc.
3. Fill your life! In the past week, I've been filling my days with a lot of touring around London where I live, and given that occupation, I had little time to think about same-sex attractions.
4. Most importantly, for me as a Christian, is to seek God every day, either by constant prayer (about others), private worship, and Bible study. If you're not a Christian, I encourage you to become one! My same-sex attractions and my Christian identity can co-exist at the same time. Nobody said to be a Christian, you have to be completely upright. It is actually the other way round: if you want to be completely upright, you should become Christian.

And now for the questions...

a) I suppose I have to say I will continue to judge your actions as being wrong, as I judge my own attractions as being wrong, and that they are sinful. But that is not the end of the story. Being wrong doesn't mean being hopeless. I've been fighting same-sex attraction for the entire length of my Christian life, but Christianity offers me a hope of escape. I'm not blindly wandering around trying to fight my attractions, but I'm beating it with the power of God.

b) Love between same sexes is also encouraged. Only sex is discouraged. But it's not simply sex is discouraged between members of the same gender, but even restricted to one member of the opposite gender. Yes, the cost of purity and sanctity is high, and we can never reach it. But anyway, there can be love between the same sexes. Brotherly love. Sisterly love. Friendly love. Some people wrongly interpret these kinds of love as being homosexual, but this is wrong, because love and sex are not interchangeable terms. You can love somebody without wanting to have sex with him/her, and you can have great sex with somebody you don't love. So, keep loving your female counterparts! But get to know them as friends, not sex objects!

c) Maybe God does want me to stay single...and if He did I'm going to fight Him!!! I would really love to have a family of my own too. Yet I'm not dating yet, outwardly citing age and academics, but inwardly the reason is because I don't want to betray my girlfriend/future wife. Sometimes I'm agonised and ask God what His purpose of this is. Why can't I be "normal"? But we each have our crosses to take up with Jesus, and this is mine. And our weaknesses are always shored up by the strength of God, and through these weaknesses I can see the glory of God. It may sound weird, but my sins have brought me even closer to God. So...look to Him!

My reputation could be gone, but GOOD GRIEF! Don't I feel liberated!!!
 
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Well, if its any comfort at all, Kitten, I have always been told(and believed) that the sin is in actually going out and having sexual relations with someone. Not just a homosexual relationship, but heterosexual ones too, if you aren't married to the person. Marriage is just defined as man and woman, though...

Thats the problem most Christians have, sadly. They see homosexuality as some uber sin, that is the epitome of evil in a human soul. And these people who treat you like this are WRONG!!!:( After reading your story, it sounds like, according to the Bible, and the verses that condemn homosexuality, you actually haven't sinned yet! Its in going and having a relationship, though, that you can begin to sin. But in reality, homosexuality is just another act that falls into the category of adultery. Its no worse or better than the heterosexuals who go out and have unwed sex. Definately better than the pastors who cheat on their wives, or the priests who molest children, in human terms, but in God's view, all sin is equal. Its sin, and it separates us from God.

Kitten, I know it may not mean much, but let me say that I am so SORRY for what these people do to you! No one should intentionally hurt a person in the name of Christ, and there are special penalties, I have been told, for people who turn others away from Christ with raw condemnation. I am so very sorry for what you are going through, and for the times you have hated yourself, or others have mistreated you, because of what it says in the Bible. But I speak the truth when I say that you must actually lust for(dwell on) and engage in sexual actions with another girl/guy for it to be a sin!

Shoot.... I've committed more sin with my girlfriend than you have with anyone, it would seem.:( :sigh: But just as we are trying to cool down with God's help, thats what you need, ultimately.

The thing is, as much as we Christians try to be Superman to the world, a better analogy would be the police comissioner, who puts up the Batlight when others need rescueing, and let the REAL hero come in and do the job and save the day... night, in Batman's case, but... yeah... Ahem. I'm not trying to be preachy, like an American Southern Baptist, shouting "YOU NEED JAAAAAYSUS!!!!", but from the sound of it, you are inclined in that area. And just as my girlfriend overcame so, SO much hardship through Him, you can too. Like GoldenViolet said, there is plenty of time for you to change, and it is definately possible. Never say never, Kitten.:) Without God, really, nothing is possible. But with Him, we are told EVERYTHING is possible. I am a hopeless romantic, so I kinda have a high urge to love as well.

And that is why I hope and pray, Lord, that you would please give hope to this woman, and give her the chance and the way to come to you, as she has so diligently struggled to! Lord, please do not let the fervent fire to do right die within her; help her to keep pure while using her capacity to love towards other things, until the time you have planned comes for her to use it. Please bless her in all she does, and help her to come to you, that you might work in her through your Holy Spirit, and have the peace and joy of the Lord in her heart. Please grant her strength and wisdom and peace in all this.

In Jesus name, Amen.


As an ending note, please don't ever accept yourself the way you are. If I did... I would still be a completely hopeless pervert... and possibly in jail.:( Most Christians have a wonderful way of hiding their dark secrets and displacing the guilt on others. Please, do not ever give up, and do not listen to them. They are not speaking in Christ's attitude. He said that any word of his, or thing you do in his name, that is without love, is not done in his name, or said in his words. Its as useless as someone just continually banging a gong. Uh... GV, help me out here, what book was that in?
 
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Out of Egypt by Jeanette Howard is an awesome book that will help you deal. I recommend it to anyone dealing with same sex attractions. There are also plenty of groups out like Exodus International that help people like us every day. Much love and many prayers your way. Take it a step at a time, minute by minute if you have to. God will meet you there.
 
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Kittencat,

First I would like to congratulate you on being so brave and posting here. I think that this is a good step on your path in life. May your have many more.

When you are maturing, there always comes a time when the advice and rules give to us go so against our nature that we have to take a second look. For your own personal growth you should explore this side of you more. I can't say whether you should be gay or not, that is what you need to find out for yourself. Whatever you choose though, God will love you and not desert you (nor would you desert God through this choice).

I have friends that are Christian and gay and they are the most happiest people I know. They love everyone, and everyone loves them.

Good luck on your path.

Oh, and for the homework:

a) a Christian's job is not to 'save' people. They can spread the word, but a person must decide to be 'saved'. Heck, I am considered Christian by some and I am not 'saved', but I am a good person.

As for your example, yes, Superman would save Timmy. Heck, he would try and save everyone, even the villains, if he could. But we are not Superman, we have to pick who we can help, and we must sometimes pick ourselves first since we are human and far from perfect.

b) Remember the time the Bible was written in and what the morals of that culture was at that time. As cultures change morals change.

c)Heh, maybe He wont tell you through me, but I am telling you that to love and lost is better then not to love at all.
 
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I accept that the Scriptures clearly state that homosexual behaviour is unacceptable for Christians. Paul alone of the ancient writers specifically mentions lesbian behaviour.

Having said that I ache for those people who want to please God, who do not want to be known as homosexuals, yet seem to have no indications of heterosexual sexuality within.

There is a helpful web site of the Third Way magazine, a thoughtful Chrsitian publication. Click the Way Back button (I think that's the one) and you get access to some articles. There is one there on the Christian's pastoral responsibilities towards homosexual people.

For those whose background may be a factor good counselling may be helpful. But without some directly causative factor there will be some left with the very real difficulty of living with their sexuality within a Christian framework. I can accept that some people may not have normal sexual responses, just as I can accept that mental o rphysical illness also exist. The Fall affected all of humanity and all of our natural nature. For some their sexuality may be similarly variant from normal.

I wish Christians had a wand to wave for such people, but until we find out some more we must struggle to live out Christ's life as a Christian community where some struggle with their sexual orientation.


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Before I begin, I do not want trouble. I seek advice, truth and help. But, I do not want coments that will straight out have a holier than thou attitude. None of us, no matter what "status of faith" we have, should judge and ignore a cry.

Lets go back to Day One. A little girl, who cannot understand for the life of her why boys have cooties, or why some look cute. A little girl who wanted to be like a little boy, who hated dresses and barbie dolls. If anything, she wanted to watch Star Wars and hang out with guys because she could relate to them. She hated being a girl, she did not want to be one of them. But at the same time, she liked girls in a cute way. When little girls swooned over a prettyboy, I would see a side to some girls that I would like in a sense.

When I first heard of lesbians, it did get me thinking... "Am I one of those types?". No! I couldn't! It was bad to love girls! The bible said so, my Mother and Father tell me they are all evil people that will be destroyed eventually, and all my friends seem to hate them! There was no way this could be real. It must be a work of the Devil, surely. I kept it secret for a while.

From 12 years of age up until this year, I have been going through the worst years of my life. I kept telling myself, "You cannot be attracted to her". And even those of you that tell me its right to force yourself to think that way, you are so wrong its beyond not funny anymore. I threw myself into a depressive state where at times, I wanted to harm myself. I had dreams that would haunt me at night. Girls at school would bully me and tease me for not dating guys. I simply hid in my box of shame and anxiety and said "I can't, I'm not ready". I hated myself for thinking of other girls instead of other boys. More than once a week, I would cry to God asking for help. "Why should I carry this burden, oh Lord?" I would cry. My heart aches, my soul weeps and my spirit was stuck in traffic. As a result, my mind had gone nuts.

I was going through anxiety attacts and panic attacks. I would want to die whenever I heard someone say that lesbians or gays were going to perish. I so thought I had my attraction under control, but I didn't. I was slowly spiralling into self hatred and denial of myself. I even asked boys out, to keep myself covered from rumours. I was assaulted (not raped, but touched inappropriately), abused and mistreated by most men. Side note, men are not shallow. I refuse to believe that. However, this just piled on to my feelings of un-attractiveness towards man.

I used to attend church with my family. I wanted so badly for the pastor to say something that would change me, but it never came. Instead, I felt shot down. By this stage, I had made friends with gays, but I knew no lesbians. They constantly told me that christians would tell them how they are sinning, bringing them down for their preference and even throwing them out of groups of friends for being the way they are. To me, I felt like a coward for watching my friends, who were so dear and had kind hearts, being shot down by people who tell everyone what they have to do and live by.

And here it comes: I went to a christian youth church known as Planetshakers. All the Aussie youth here should know of it. It is there to empower a generation, to lift up all youth and to keep the faith just as it should be: true. I met her, a beautiful girl who, in many ways, was a lot like me. Her name won't be mentioned. I met her a few times and thought she was fun to talk to. Fast forward half a year, and she is back. An event for women, held by Planetshakers and run for women of God. We stayed together all day, and I knew: I fancied her.

About a month or so passes, I tell her I love her. That was yesterday. About two weeks before, I told myself I was who I was, and there is nothing under God that will change that. I cried to God for help and advice, I asked older christian friends and leaders but alas, it was the same. Leaders were blunt- "You're a sinner, change and come back", even though they said to forgive, to not judge and to reach out to those needing help.

And now, for the help. Homework for you lot, answer truthfully. Without the judgement.

a) Christians are people of God who are doing a heroic deed: saving people. Jesus has already saved the world. Now, did Superman ever fly up to a situation where say, Timmy was stuck in a well and said to him, "Well son, you shouldn't have been near there in the first place" and flew away, leaving poor Timmy to die? No. He went in and saved him cause he was in trouble. Now, pretend you're Superman, minus the underpants look. Would you see a friend who has fallen down a pit of sin, only to turn your nose and say "Well, you've sinned. Tough buttons" and walked on? Think about this one.

b) Why is love an encouraged act in the bible, but when two of the same sex are involved, its evil? I know theres the reproduction factor, but hasn't technology surpassed that?

c) I have had it with this one- "Maybe God wants you to stay single". No... I can't. I love too much, I want to love someone and to have someone in my arms. Sure, if God wants me to, he will tell me. But he won't tell me through a bunch of strangers on the internet either.

*sigh*. There. All done.
I just wanted you to know,I will pray for you that god will show you what to do in this situation. JUst remember god loves everyone.
 
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