Secular Versus None-Secular

[not-christian]

Well, I am not so sure about that.

Oddly, in the top ten 'happiest countries' in the world also exist Bhutan and Brunei, very seriously religious countries that dwarf most other nations in religiosity. Ireland is also in the top 20 far above many at number 11 and they are a infamously Catholic nation.

I'd also like to point out the variation they have in number for Swedish atheists, being between 46% and 85%, which is just ridiculous.

You should put things simply, NC:

Sweden has a relatively small population, a lot of coastline and natural resources, safe borders, etc. These are all reasons why it succeeds more than others.

I think being 'atheist' or 'agnostic' has no correlation with being better off -- especially when you cannot even offer up a decent number on the percentage of atheists/agnostics there are there.

You cannot just say "41-85% of Americans are white." That is a ridiculous statistic.

EDIT:

And how come Vietnam, 81% atheist, is not better off than its Buddhist neighbor buddies?

And how come China, who is probably upwards of 90% atheist, and north Korea, which officially persecutes most Christians, are not living in paradises?

Atheists conveniently leave out these nations in order to make it look like they correlate with success.

Secular governments are successful; religious governments are hit and miss.

Officially atheist governments? The only ones I can name is an official list of the 20th centuries most bloodiest nations:
- USSR
- P. R. C.
- D.P.R.K.
- Khampuchea

You seem rather misinformed.

Lets see, Former Soviet Union (USSR) have HIGHLY CATHOLIC POPULATIONS.

China, BUDDHIST population. (And China is doing good and upwards).

North Korea Buddhist/Daoist etc.

And Kambodja atheist? Dude, you need to travel more.



Once again, If anyone would like to respond, WHY DO SECULAR PEOPLE HAVE IT BETTER THEN NONE-SECULAR ONES?


As example of truly secular people are does damn Scandinavians, which also have the highest quality of life, safest societies, most advanced soceities, and the list goes on. This is not a debate, this is statistics, if you never travelled the world and seen nothing, maybe you should, But this is not about debating if reality is reality, i am wondering WHY it is like that, from a Theistic viewpoint.

Thankyou.

 

[Verv]

You seem rather misinformed.

Lets see, Former Soviet Union (USSR) have HIGHLY CATHOLIC POPULATIONS.

China, BUDDHIST population. (And China is doing good and upwards).

North Korea Buddhist/Daoist etc.

And Kambodja atheist? Dude, you need to travel more.



Once again, If anyone would like to respond, WHY DO SECULAR PEOPLE HAVE IT BETTER THEN NONE-SECULAR ONES?


As example of truly secular people are does damn Scandinavians, which also have the highest quality of life, safest societies, most advanced soceities, and the list goes on. This is not a debate, this is statistics, if you never travelled the world and seen nothing, maybe you should, But this is not about debating if reality is reality, i am wondering WHY it is like that, from a Theistic viewpoint.

Thankyou.

Nearly every country east of Poland tends to be Orthodox, friend. The USSR once had a very Orthodox population. However, 90,000 Orthodox clergy were murdered by the Soviets in like a 10 year stint and afterwards the Church was severely persecuted. Religion was borderline illegal and that which existed was strictly controlled and state sanctioned.

Cambodia, N. Korea and China had religious heritages but under their Communist revolution all were purged. The Buddhists of Cambodia were so utterly decimated that literally their monks had to go to foreign countries in order to be trained properly as Buddhists.

N. Korea mass murdered Christians and stamped out Buddhism.

You really should take a strong look at history.

The Communist regimes are all officially atheist; atheism is a fundamental tenet of Communism. And they were murderous.

The United States was one of the first secular nations on the face of the Earth and has a strong Christian heritage that has not diminished except for a few small periods of time, namely the 1880-1920 time period.