'Secular Music' Give me a break...

jayem · Mar 21, 2019

Jonaitis said:
I agree, there is so much good music out there that isn't necessarily religious in nature. One of my favorite genre of music is classical, and you cannot tell me that God is not glorified in Chopin's Nocturne Opus 9 No. 2, or in Paganini Caprice no. 5, or all six parts of Bach's Brandenburg Concertos. The first musician may have been a son of Cain (Gen. 4:21), but God has given music as a gift to all men for his glory and our enjoyment.

Absolutely. And a lot of classical music written for secular purposes has a religious context. Giuseppe Verdi composed this soprano and male chorus aria, La Vergine degli Angeli (The Virgin of the Angels,) for his opera La Forza del Destino (The Force of Destiny.) The singer is praying to Mary for protection. It's a very beautiful and dramatic piece.

BTW, Verdi was very private about his own religious beliefs. He was critical of the church, and was not known to attend services. In all likelihood, he was at least a religious skeptic, if not an outright non-believer. Proving that even an atheist can write heavenly music.

Ojpalosa · Mar 22, 2019

well hey said:
it has an agressive dark instrumentation that can be discouraging. Xtian metal bands For Today are a bit better than xtain death metal imo

This does not make any sense. Discouraging to you, perhaps, It´s clearly a matter of opinion. Your personal opinion of something does not make it satanic per definition.

2PhiloVoid · Mar 23, 2019

well hey said:
Ok so secular music, christian music. This is what i will be sharing my thoughts and truths on.
A christian is not bound to limit themselves to only Christian music. Most christian music sucks anyways. There are so many talented brilliant musicians that we would be missing out on if we put ourselves in this religious box and limitation. God created every note so ANY music can be used for good in the christians life- even to worship him. I worship God to lots of EDM and it is not under a christian label. ANd belive me God loves that. God loves good music and so do i. DO not be stuck on lables. That is just religous and limiting. PS even music labled as christian can be demonic. SO listen at your discretion and also listen to your own taste. I am currently listening to underground hip hop and rnb hybrids like Teflon Sega, Darci, jayen and district. And i adore juice wrld. As a person and as an artist. One of his songs "Flaws and Sins" is amazing!!! Its not labeled as christian but might as well be bcuz its such a beautifully written song. And has some spiritual elements to it. Please share your thoughts.

I generally agree with what you're saying here. I think we can listen to and enjoy Secular Music. I know I do. What Christian music have you been listening too, well hey? Personally, enjoy groups that are Seco-Christian like Switchfoot or Flyleaf, U2, etc. And there are a few Christian musical artists out there who are good, but they don't seem to get much airplay. This is one reason I go to Accuradio.com and listen to New Christian Rock for random selections that I won't hear on my local radio stations.

Thanks for your comments!

2PhiloVoid · Mar 23, 2019

well hey said:
it has an agressive dark instrumentation that can be discouraging. Xtian metal bands For Today are a bit better than xtain death metal imo

Oh no! Say it ain't so!

Sketcher · Mar 23, 2019

well hey said:
Yes i agree with you about the metal. Death metal is not good and obviously satanic. I used to be a big time metal head(like bigtime) and i havent listened to any genre of rock music in years. I just dont like it anymore. I like the smoothness and crystal clear sounds edm makes

Satanic stuff is not inherent to death metal. Though it is to black metal.

FireDragon76 · Mar 23, 2019

well hey said:
Ok so secular music, christian music. This is what i will be sharing my thoughts and truths on.
A christian is not bound to limit themselves to only Christian music. Most christian music sucks anyways. There are so many talented brilliant musicians that we would be missing out on if we put ourselves in this religious box and limitation. God created every note so ANY music can be used for good in the christians life- even to worship him. I worship God to lots of EDM and it is not under a christian label. ANd belive me God loves that. God loves good music and so do i. DO not be stuck on lables. That is just religous and limiting. PS even music labled as christian can be demonic. SO listen at your discretion and also listen to your own taste. I am currently listening to underground hip hop and rnb hybrids like Teflon Sega, Darci, jayen and district. And i adore juice wrld. As a person and as an artist. One of his songs "Flaws and Sins" is amazing!!! Its not labeled as christian but might as well be bcuz its such a beautifully written song. And has some spiritual elements to it. Please share your thoughts.

Being a Lutheran is alot more fun. We don't have these ridiculous rules.

Spotify is awesome, I have listened to a bit of everything. Music, for me, played back on some good speakers or headphones is as close as you get to a spiritual experience without having a burning bush in your living room.

well hey · Mar 23, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
Being a Lutheran is alot more fun. We don't have these ridiculous rules.

Spotify is awesome, I have listened to a bit of everything. Music, for me, played back on some good speakers or headphones is as close as you get to a spiritual experience without having a burning bush in your living room.

lol AWESOME

Lost4words · Mar 23, 2019

Currently listening Jason Bourne theme music! Truly awesome!

Sketcher · Mar 23, 2019

Jonaitis said:
I try to be careful, though, because not everything glorifies God. I also don't believe every kind of music is always good. As a friend of mine at church, and a former boss of mine years ago, have told me I believe: some music was created with an intention to make you feel a certain way, and that certain feeling isn't always appropriate. Before I was saved I was heavy into Metal (mainly Death Metal), but I cannot see any room for me to enjoy music like that anymore, nor can I see it glorifying God. I went to a Disciple concert once, and I did not understand anything they were saying, but my friends figure it was okay to listen to because they are Christian and they make mention of "Christian" things. Yeah...I don't see how with my mind how God is glorified with distorted sounds and sometimes screaming. Some genres are just not good.

I for one have been encouraged and built up (1 Thess 5:11) by Christian hard music. I'm not the only one. And thus God is glorified. Not every Christian has to like it for others to benefit from it, or for God to be glorified by it.

Jonaitis · Mar 23, 2019

Sketcher said:
I for one have been encouraged and built up (1 Thess 5:11) by Christian hard music. I'm not the only one. And thus God is glorified. Not every Christian has to like it for others to benefit from it, or for God to be glorified by it.

I suppose people are different. Certain styles of music affect the way I think and feel that isn't necessarily edifying to me.

Sketcher · Mar 23, 2019

Jonaitis said:
I suppose people are different. Certain styles of music affect the way I think and feel that isn't necessarily edifying to me.

Understandable.

sunshineforJesus · Mar 23, 2019

I love all sorts of music from Hillsong united,to Lady Gaga but have noticed since growing closer
to the Lord mainly only want to listen to Christian music lately.

ViaCrucis · Mar 24, 2019

I generally find the entire popular Christian sub-culture to be inherently problematic. I am a Christian living my life of faith here in the world, as a real person; living out my vocation right here in this saeculum, this present world and time. The secular--that which pertains to our present world--is where we live, believe, and carry our cross.

I absolutely love sacred music, which is also why I tend to dislike contemporary "Christian music". In a lot of cases I simply don't understand its purpose; as a substitute for "normal" music? Why would I need a substitute for normal music? For use in church? Perhaps, but the theological content of so much of it leaves entirely too much to be desired.

I'm not opposed to Christian-produced music, obviously. I still have bands and musicians who are Christian such as Five Iron Frenzy and Switchfoot. I like their music because I find the music legitimately good and interesting, and what's being said to be substantive. In other words I like it for the reasons I like any other piece of music. It wouldn't work in a church context, but as listening I find it both enjoyable and meaningful. But I can also say the same about a lot of music that isn't Christian produced, such as music by Bob Dylan or Rise Against. And sometimes, sometimes I like music just because it's fun. My musical tastes are kind of eclectic, and some might even argue not very refined.

-CryptoLutheran

quatona · Mar 24, 2019

well hey said:
Ok so secular music, christian music. This is what i will be sharing my thoughts and truths on.
A christian is not bound to limit themselves to only Christian music. Most christian music sucks anyways. There are so many talented brilliant musicians that we would be missing out on if we put ourselves in this religious box and limitation. God created every note so ANY music can be used for good in the christians life- even to worship him. I worship God to lots of EDM and it is not under a christian label. ANd belive me God loves that. God loves good music and so do i. DO not be stuck on lables. That is just religous and limiting. PS even music labled as christian can be demonic. SO listen at your discretion and also listen to your own taste. I am currently listening to underground hip hop and rnb hybrids like Teflon Sega, Darci, jayen and district. And i adore juice wrld. As a person and as an artist. One of his songs "Flaws and Sins" is amazing!!! Its not labeled as christian but might as well be bcuz its such a beautifully written song. And has some spiritual elements to it. Please share your thoughts.

Just recently I started singing the bass in a small ensemble that sings four part Christian chorals in a beautifully sounding church once a week - even though I am not a Christian by any means and I can´t relate to the words that are sung.

Dave-W · Mar 25, 2019

Sketcher said:
Though it is to black metal.

As in African American metal music? Like Black Death or Sound Barrier?

FireDragon76 · Mar 25, 2019

Dave-W said:
As in African American metal music? Like Black Death or Sound Barrier?

Sounds interesting, I'll have to look them up on Spotify. I'm used to Metal being whiter than mayonaise.

Dave-W · Mar 25, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
Sounds interesting, I'll have to look them up on Spotify. I'm used to Metal being whiter than mayonaise.

Yeah - me too. But there has always been a sliver of harder rock being done by African Americans, at least back to the Chamber Brothers in the late 1960s.

Desk trauma · Mar 25, 2019

Dave-W said:
As in African American metal music? Like Black Death or Sound Barrier?

Black metal.

Sketcher · Mar 25, 2019

Dave-W said:
As in African American metal music? Like Black Death or Sound Barrier?

No. The stuff like Mayhem and Gorgoroth. It's one of the few genres out there that isn't just about the musical composition - if it's not Satanic, it's not black metal, even if the musical elements are all in place. There are Christian bands that strip the Satanism out, but they're "white metal" or "unblack metal."

Strathos · Mar 25, 2019

The whole Satanic music thing just seems like an attempt to be edgy for the sake of being edgy. It's like a kid cursing just to shock their parents.

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