Second Ressurection

[InDenial]

Greetings in the name of our LORD. I was researching the seventh day adventist website and was wondering about this "second ressurection" that is mentioned in the statement of faith.
It is never my intention to criticize or argue with ANYONE within the faith. I'm merely curious about this potential wide-scale redemption. Does it apply to all humanity or is there a level of good works involved? For example, will folks like Stalin, Napolean, Pontus, HItler, etc... eventually repent?
Again, I'm not disagreeing or judging anyone's beliefs. I'm merely curious about this belief. If I have offended I offer my heart felt apology and please forgive me.
GOD BLESS ALWAYS,
InDenial

 

[k4c]

Greetings in the name of our LORD. I was researching the seventh day adventist website and was wondering about this "second ressurection" that is mentioned in the statement of faith.
It is never my intention to criticize or argue with ANYONE within the faith. I'm merely curious about this potential wide-scale redemption. Does it apply to all humanity or is there a level of good works involved? For example, will folks like Stalin, Napolean, Pontus, HItler, etc... eventually repent?
Again, I'm not disagreeing or judging anyone's beliefs. I'm merely curious about this belief. If I have offended I offer my heart felt apology and please forgive me.
GOD BLESS ALWAYS,
InDenial

It's good to hear people are still seeking for truth.

The second resurrection is of the wicked.

There is no second chance after the first resurrection nor is there seven years of tribulation.

 

[InDenial]

The wicked as in those who've rejected CHRIST or the wicked as in everyone (including the church)? Basically what I'm asking is does Adventist Doctrine accept Hell as a place of eturnal suffering and if so who is reserved for besides Satan and his fallen angels?

 

[k4c]

The wicked as in those who've rejected CHRIST or the wicked as in everyone (including the church)? Basically what I'm asking is does Adventist Doctrine accept Hell as a place of eturnal suffering and if so who is reserved for besides Satan and his fallen angels?

This is what I believe from what I've studied over the years.

First of all it's important to use the more clearer verses to interpret the less clearer verses. Also, you will find that our meaning of English words are not the same as what we find in the original language. In other words, just because our English Bible use the word, eternal, it does not always mean a point of time without end.

For example, Sodom and Gomorah was burned with eternal fire but we know Sodom and Gomorah are not still burning today.

When Jesus came the first time He institued what I like to call the church age. This is when God's Spirit has been poured out and people have the ability to be born again, read Acts 2:33.

When Jesus comes the second time He will change all those who are alive at His coming and have been born again and are living up to the light they have, read 1 Cor. 15:51-54.

Those who have died during the church age and were been born again at some point during their life and have lived up to the light they had will be resurrected and both groups will ascend into heaven with Jesus, read 1 Thess. 4:15-18.

Those who are alive at His coming but have refused the gospel or are not living up to the light they have will be destroyed never to be resurrected again because they had their opportunity during the church age so they will be judged at Jesus' coming, read Matthew 25.

All the wicked dead of both the old testament and the new teastament who were in the grave at Jesus' second coming will remain there for a 1000 more years at which time they will be resurrected to face their first judgement, read Revelation 20:11-15.

There is no eternal burning or suffering in a place under the earth called hell. The word, hell, only means the grave.

Once this is done God will restore the earth and we will dwell there with Him forever. There will be no more death, pain or sorrow, read Revelation 21:1-5.

I hope I was able to be clear enough for you to follow.

 

[Kira Light]

The wicked as in those who've rejected CHRIST or the wicked as in everyone (including the church)? Basically what I'm asking is does Adventist Doctrine accept Hell as a place of eturnal suffering and if so who is reserved for besides Satan and his fallen angels?

Wicked are pretty much everyone besides the SDA's as they are the remnant of Revelations and all others carry the mark of the beast. At the second coming, the wicked dead stay dead and the righteous dead are resurrected. The wicked living are killed instantly by the mere sight of God. The righteous living and newly resurrected are taken to heaven for 1000 years to look over the books. This 1000 years has satan all alone on earth with no one to tempt and that is his worst nightmare. After 1000 years all the wicked dead are raised up and Satan rallies them against God. There is a final epic battle in which all wicked are vanquished. At this point there is a judgment in which God tosses every wicked soul into temporary hellfire. There is no eternal suffering. Then God remakes the earth and the righteous are put back here to replenish it.

 

[InDenial]

WOW. It turns out that based on my own interpretation of the scriptures I've passively been a SDA without knowing it. I've always wondered why I haven't been able to find any biblical refrence to hell, or that those rejected by GOD would suffer for eternity. The only reference to immortality I've found is that in which we have through trusting CHRIST. Furthermore, Romans clearly says that "The wages of sin is death," Not everlasting hellfire. I'm a baptist, and I have no intention of changing my denomination, nor do I believe that this in any way conflicts with my spiritual upbringing. I'm not sure if we're right, but I REALLY hope we are. The important thing is that I'll continue to seek JESUS, and if I am wrong, I know I'll be forgiven.
I suppose my best bet would be to go to GOD through prayer and studying of his word.
Thanks so much for answering my question! PRAISE GOD ALWAYS!!!!
In HIS peace,
Dan.

 

[k4c]

Wicked are pretty much everyone besides the SDA's as they are the remnant of Revelations and all others carry the mark of the beast.

Did you have a revelation or are you just being sarcastic..

If you're honest you will have to admit that I didn't, not even once, mention the SDA in my reply to InDenial.

I can tell you with all assurity that there will be no Baptist, Catholics, Evangelicals, JW's, Mormons, Methodist, Lutherans or Seventh Day Adventist in heaven. Only born again, Bible believing, Jesus following Christians will be in heaven. Now it just so happens that if any of the above fit this category then they will be there.

 

[Kira Light]

Did you have a revelation or are you just being sarcastic..

If you're honest you will have to admit that I didn't, not even once, mention the SDA in my reply to InDenial.

I can tell you with all assurity that there will be no Baptist, Catholics, Evangelicals, JW's, Mormons, Methodist, Lutherans or Seventh Day Adventist in heaven. Only born again, Bible believing, Jesus following Christians will be in heaven. Now it just so happens that if any of the above fit this category then they will be there.

His question was about Adventist doctrine, so that's why I talked about the SDA beliefs. Your beliefs seem to be nearly indistinguishable from the SDA beliefs, you just cut out the person who had the visions and came up with it all

 

[InDenial]

It was never my intention to start up an argument. I merely assumed that these were beliefs within the sda doctrines given that this discussion group is listed as such. Let me agree whole heartedly that the CHURCH is the worldwide body of belivers in JESUS CHRIST who have confessed him as LORD and accepted him as Savior. That is within the statement of faith from the Baptist church I've attended for years. My view (which doesn't neccessarily mean anything) is that its not about religion or denominations but a relationship with CHRIST.
I truly apologize if I've offended anyone.
In HIS peace,
InDenial.

 

[Kira Light]

It was never my intention to start up an argument. I merely assumed that these were beliefs within the sda doctrines given that this discussion group is listed as such. Let me agree whole heartedly that the CHURCH is the worldwide body of belivers in JESUS CHRIST who have confessed him as LORD and accepted him as Savior. That is within the statement of faith from the Baptist church I've attended for years. My view (which doesn't neccessarily mean anything) is that its not about religion or denominations but a relationship with CHRIST.
I truly apologize if I've offended anyone.
In HIS peace,
InDenial.

k4c and I go back and forth all the time. It's all in good fun. No need to apologize!

 

[k4c]

His question was about Adventist doctrine, so that's why I talked about the SDA beliefs. Your beliefs seem to be nearly indistinguishable from the SDA beliefs, you just cut out the person who had the visions and came up with it all

The funny thing is that I never mention EGW in any of my posts but you and all the other bees put her in my posts. But I see now from your reply to InDenial that you follow EGW.

It seems to me that you believe what EGW teaches. Now that's very interesting, a secret follower of EGW.

It's amazing how when people study the Bible they can come to the same conclusion.

 

[InDenial]

Whats EGW stand for?

 

[k4c]

Whats EGW stand for?

EGW stands for, Ellen G. White who was a lady used by God to bring light to a movement of God in the 1800s. This movement brought people back to God's will for mankind.

In the early 1800s, God began moving people to come back to His will for mankind. God spoke to many people from many denominations during this time. One of the things revealed through this movement was the true Sabbath. As a result of all this the Seventh Day Adventist church was born.

I find this interesting because the Sabbath testifies of creation and a Creator. God was impressing His people to come back to the true Sabbath through this movement but at the same time another religion was being formed that would influence the entire world. This religion rejected creation and a Creator and was called, the theory of evolution.

Many of the things EGW said had such insight that she was seen as God's messenger. People began to lift her up even after she spoke against it. She always referred people to Jesus and the Bible. Some of the things she said were misinterpreted and even misquoted. Some things didn't happen as she thought they would so many reject her completely while others still hold her as a messenger of God.

To me this is what God says about New Testament prophecy.

1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 Do not despise prophetic utterances. But test everything that is said to be sure it is true, and if it is, then accept it.

God tells us to test what is said and if it's true, hold on to it. He does not tell us to cast out the one who is speaking because we know in part and prophesy in part.

1 Corintians 13:8-10 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

Our salvation is not depended on EGW. I myself have not read much of her writtings, and there is much to read. I stick to the Bible and if what people believe and teach is found in the Bible I don't really care who says it as long as it's true.

 

[Kira Light]

The funny thing is that I never mention EGW in any of my posts but you and all the other bees put her in my posts. But I see now from your reply to InDenial that you follow EGW.

It seems to me that you believe what EGW teaches. Now that's very interesting, a secret follower of EGW.

It's amazing how when people study the Bible they can come to the same conclusion.

I did not mean to imply I believe in this SDA end times stuff. I was just offering my understanding of it as someone who has been surrounded by all things SDA for the last 31 years.

 

[k4c]

I did not mean to imply I believe in this SDA end times stuff. I was just offering my understanding of it as someone who has been surrounded by all things SDA for the last 31 years.

Do you believe the wicked will burn forever?

 

[Kira Light]

Do you believe the wicked will burn forever?

I don't think what we believe about that is of any importance. It is kind of fun to speculate on, though. I think 'time' as we know it is probably unique to this life. I believe God exists outside of time, and I think we probably will too once this life ends. This timeless state is incomprehensible to us right now. A millisecond would be indistinguishable from an eternity. How hell fits into this I'm just not sure. I do not think an eternal burning (as we would currently understand that) is likely.

 

[k4c]

I don't think what we believe about that is of any importance. It is kind of fun to speculate on, though. I think 'time' as we know it is probably unique to this life. I believe God exists outside of time, and I think we probably will too once this life ends. This timeless state is incomprehensible to us right now. A millisecond would be indistinguishable from an eternity. How hell fits into this I'm just not sure. I do not think an eternal burning (as we would currently understand that) is likely.

Your answer could have been a simple yes or no. I guess your answer is no you don't believe in the eternal burning of the wicked.

If this is true then you follow EGW because that is what she believed and taught.

 

[Kira Light]

Your answer could have been a simple yes or no. I guess your answer is no you don't believe in the eternal burning of the wicked.

If this is true then you follow EGW because that is what she believed and taught.

Some interesting logic there!

 

[k4c]

Some interesting logic there!

I'm just using your logic. Why do I say that? Because all throughout my many posts I never mention EGW but you keep equating me with her because what I post is what she believes so I guess I can use the same logic as you do. If you believe what she believes you must be a follower of EGW.

My personal policy is this. If I can see it in the Bible I will receive it no matter who said it, period end of story.

But it seems to me that if you can see it in the Bible but if EGW said it you won't receive it. To me that's a form of pride or fear.

 

[Kira Light]

I'm just using your logic. Why do I say that? Because all throughout my many posts I never mention EGW but you keep equating me with her because what I post is what she believes so I guess I can use the same logic as you do. If you believe what she believes you must be a follower of EGW.

My personal policy is this. If I can see it in the Bible I will receive it no matter who said it, period end of story.

But it seems to me that if you can see it in the Bible but if EGW said it you won't receive it. To me that's a form of pride or fear.

I tie you to EGW simply because you are SDA and you follow pretty much everything she ever said. You should read more of her stuff. I don't know what you're afraid of. You would find that you agree with probably 100% of everything she ever wrote. Why run away from her?

I don't agree that holding ANY single belief that EGW held makes you a follower of hers. Not trying to debate anything. Just sayin...