Second Coming of Christ = FIRST Resurrection without question

[BobRyan]

In 1Thess 4 we see a depiction of the second coming of Christ where the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" - in what John calls "The FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:1-5.

Rev 20
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.


1 Thess 4
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Matthew 24
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

This is incredibly obvious to the reader.


As for an argument to the contrary we have this --

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Indeed.
Jesus Christ was, plainly, the first resurrection.

Not in the Bible.

In the Bible the term "First resurrection" in only found in Revelation 20 and is applied to the event that happens at the Revelation 19 second-coming (hint: no chapter divisions in the letter that John writes - called "Revelation") and is found in Revelation 20:1-5. Revelation 20 says nothing about Jesus being raised in the "First resurrection" that John sees in the future.

The term "second resurrection" is only found in Revelation 20 and happens exactly 1000 years after the first resurrection according to John.

This fact forms the basis of St. John's depiction of the tribulation martyr saints becoming full partakers of the "first resurrection" in Revelation 20--everything Christ received by his death and resurrection is granted to them.

Irrefutable fact: Nothing at all is said in Revelation 20 about those raised in the 2nd resurrection being granted "everything Christ received by his death and resurrection"

Revelation 20 only grants to those raised in the second resurrection -- the Lake of Fire

 

[stuart lawrence]

In 1Thess 4 we see a depiction of the second coming of Christ where the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" - in what John calls "The FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:1-5.

Rev 20
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.


1 Thess 4
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Matthew 24
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

This is incredibly obvious to the reader.


As for an argument to the contrary we have this --

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Not in the Bible.

In the Bible the term "First resurrection" in only found in Revelation 20 and is applied to the event that happens at the Revelation 19 second-coming (hint: no chapter divisions in the letter that John writes - called "Revelation") and is found in Revelation 20:1-5. Revelation 20 says nothing about Jesus being raised in the "First resurrection" that John sees in the future.

The term "second resurrection" is only found in Revelation 20 and happens exactly 1000 years after the first resurrection according to John.



Irrefutable fact: Nothing at all is said in Revelation 20 about those raised in the 2nd resurrection being granted "everything Christ received by his death and resurrection"

Revelation 20 only grants to those raised in the second resurrection -- the Lake of Fire

Assuming you accept the second resurrection is 20:11-15, people who were raised had their names written in the book of life, so they were not to be sent to the lake of fire

 

[Revealing Times]

In 1Thess 4 we see a depiction of the second coming of Christ where the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" - in what John calls "The FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:1-5.

The First Resurrection is all who have died or were alive at the Rapture IN CHRIST along with those who died during the Tribulation IN CHRIST those mainly were Beheaded. All of those before Rev. 20:4 are the First Resurrection, THEY WERE ALL IN CHRIST. The Second Resurrection are the Dead not in Christ, a 1000 years later who are raised and JUDGED.

Immediately After the Tribulation Jesus returns with the Church/Body of Christ in tow.

 

[BobRyan]

Assuming you accept the second resurrection is 20:11-15, people who were raised had their names written in the book of life, so they were not to be sent to the lake of fire

Rev 20:11-15 does not say that anyone was not sent to the lake of fire from that 2nd resurrection. Rev 20:4-5 says it is ONLY those raised in the FIRST resurrection - - over whom the 2nd death - lake of fire -- has no power.

The text specifically says that for just those in the first resurrection - those in the 2nd resurrection ARE subject to the second death and are judged strictly by their works "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Rom 3:23... "The wages of sin is death" Romans 5:23 - and Revelation 20 points out the fact that it is specifically "The 2nd death"

 

[BobRyan]

The First Resurrection is all who have died or were alive at the Rapture IN CHRIST along with those who died during the Tribulation IN CHRIST those mainly were Beheaded. All of those before Rev. 20:4 are the First Resurrection, THEY WERE ALL IN CHRIST. The Second Resurrection are the Dead not in Christ, a 1000 years later who are raised and JUDGED.

Immediately After the Tribulation Jesus returns with the Church/Body of Christ in tow.

There is only one Gospel - those among the dead who are not "the dead in Christ" of 1 Thess 4 - are in fact not saved because the Gospel only allows salvation through Christ.

Thus it is that those saints who lived in the OT are considered Christians -- considered as those who are saved under the"one Gospel" of Galatians 1:6-9

1 Cor 10
For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

Hebrew 4:2
2 For indeed we have had the Gospel preached to us, just as they also;

Hebrews 11
4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Matt 17
Six days later Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and *led them up on a high mountain by themselves. 2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” 5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!” 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell face down to the ground and were terrified.

John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

Gal 3:8 the Gospel was preached to Abraham

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

In 1Thess 4 we see a depiction of the second coming of Christ where the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" - in what John calls "The FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:1-5.

Rev 20
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

1 Thess 4
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

In Revelation 20:4, it said those resurrected are the ones in the tribulation who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and Revelation 20:4 are not the same event. Where does it say anywhere in the bible that the rapture of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 only involves those that goes through the great tribulation and not the dead in Christ that had already died the last 2000 years?

 

[BobRyan]

In Revelation 20:4, it said those resurrected are the ones in the tribulation who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and Revelation 20:4 are not the same event. Where does it say anywhere in the bible that the rapture of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 only involves those that goes through the great tribulation and not the dead in Christ that had already died the last 2000 years?

It is true that the first resurrection "The dead in Christ rise FIRST" 1Thess 4, "The FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:4-5 - include those who were killed at the time of the mark of the beast - but it also includes those saints killed all through time - all the "dead in Christ" not just the few martyrs at the end. And it is said about all of them "they are the blessed and holy" because they are in fact the "dead in Christ" -- and over them - the 2nd death has no power.


4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, (saints in all ages)

"AND those who had not worshiped the beast"
(The beast was around for a very long time according to Rev 12 and 13) and included attributes of the beasts in Daniel 7 - both describe this long lived war against the saints.

And finally the end-time group "or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; "

In Matt 24 it is all one group - that is taken to heaven -- just as we see in 1Thess 4- it is all one group that is taken... just as we see in Rev 20 it is only the FIRST group about whom it is said "over these the 2nd death has no power"

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

It is true that the first resurrection "The dead in Christ rise FIRST" 1Thess 4, "The FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:4-5 - include those who were killed at the time of the mark of the beast - but it also includes those saints killed all through time - all the "dead in Christ" not just the few martyrs at the end. And it is said about all of them "they are the blessed and holy" because they are in fact the "dead in Christ" -- and over them - the 2nd death has no power.


4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, (saints in all ages)

"AND those who had not worshiped the beast"
(The beast was around for a very long time according to Rev 12 and 13) and included attributes of the beasts in Daniel 7 - both describe this long lived war against the saints.

And finally the end-time group "or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; "

In Matt 24 it is all one group - that is taken to heaven -- just as we see in 1Thess 4- it is all one group that is taken... just as we see in Rev 20 it is only the FIRST group about whom it is said "over these the 2nd death has no power"

But are you claiming 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and Revelation 20:4 the same event?

In your OP, you wrote ""In 1Thess 4 we see a depiction of the second coming of Christ where the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" - in what John calls "The FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:1-5"" calling 1 Thessalonians 4 as the second coming based on Revelation 20:1-5.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

Let me clarify this for you. Matthew 27:50-53 is also part of the first resurrection. The first resurrection happens in multiple stages but each resurrection are not the same event. You can't claim 1 Thessalonians 4 is the second coming because of Revelation 20:4.

Matthew 27:50-53, 1 Thessalonians 4 and Revelation 20:4 are all part of the first resurrection but are different events.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

What is the difference between the first resurrection and the second resurrection?

Two future resurrections are described in the Bible. The first resurrection is mentioned in Revelation 20: "This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years" (Revelation 20:5b-6). Those involved in the first resurrection will already be raised to life prior to the 1,000-year reign of Christ called the millennium.

This first resurrection includes those who return to life at the rapture as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (the "dead in Christ" and believers alive at the rapture) as well as the resurrected Christian martyrs from the end of the tribulation period mentioned in Revelation 20:4.

The second resurrection is described in Revelation 20:12-13: "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done." This group will include those who are unbelievers who will be assigned by judgment to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15).

Between these two resurrections is the 1,000-year millennial kingdom. Believers reign with the Lord during this period and have already been resurrected. Unbelievers are described in Revelation 20:5 as, "The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended."

Therefore, the first resurrection is for the people of God; the second resurrection is for the judgment of unbelievers. The difference between these two groups is based on one's relationship with God through Jesus Christ. It is essential for every person to hear the good news and be saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9) to receive eternal life (John 3:16).

What is the difference between the first resurrection and the second resurrection?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Rev 20:11-15 does not say that anyone was not sent to the lake of fire from that 2nd resurrection. Rev 20:4-5 says it is ONLY those raised in the FIRST resurrection - - over whom the 2nd death - lake of fire -- has no power.

The text specifically says that for just those in the first resurrection - those in the 2nd resurrection ARE subject to the second death and are judged strictly by their works "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Rom 3:23... "The wages of sin is death" Romans 5:23 - and Revelation 20 points out the fact that it is specifically "The 2nd death"

If anyone's name was not found in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
Rev20:15

Clearly at this judgement, saved and unsaved are judged.

Forget chapter headings. In the next three verses john speaks of a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth have passed away. And now, in the new Jerusalem God will dwell with his people.
So on the last day of This present earth judgement takes place( rev20:11-15)

Who takes part in This judgement, on the last day of This present earth, only the unsaved?

For my fathers will is that everyone who looks to the son and believes in him shall have eternal life, AND I WILL RAISE THEM UP ON THE LAST DAY( the last day of this present earth)
John6:40

 

[Revealing Times]

There is only one Gospel - those among the dead who are not "the dead in Christ" of 1 Thess 4 - are in fact not saved because the Gospel only allows salvation through Christ.

Thus it is that those saints who lived in the OT are considered Christians -- considered as those who are saved under the"one Gospel" of Galatians 1:6-9

1 Cor 10
For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

Hebrew 4:2
2 For indeed we have had the Gospel preached to us, just as they also;

Hebrews 11
4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Matt 17
Six days later Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and *led them up on a high mountain by themselves. 2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” 5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!” 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell face down to the ground and were terrified.

John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

Gal 3:8 the Gospel was preached to Abraham

Let my try being simpler in manner.

The First Resurrection are Gods people. It doesn't matter at WHAT POINT IN TIME.........

The Second Resurrection is those NOT OF GOD.

 

[BABerean2]

In 1Thess 4 we see a depiction of the second coming of Christ where the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" - in what John calls "The FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:1-5.

Joh 5:24　 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.　
(This is the first resurrection in John chapter 5. It is the spiritual resurrection, upon faith in Christ. John also recorded Revelation chapter 20. )

Joh 5:25　 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.　

Joh 5:26　 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,　

Joh 5:27　 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.　

Joh 5:28　 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice　(What does the word "all" mean?)

Joh 5:29　 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.　
(This is the second resurrection in John chapter 5. It is of the body.)


Joh 5:30　 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.　

The two verses which refer to the bodily resurrection are bracketed by verses referring to Christ as the judge.

See Revelation 11:18 to find the time of the judgment of the dead.

Rev 20:12　 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.　

Rev 20:13　 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.　

 

[BobRyan]

Let my try being simpler in manner.

The First Resurrection are Gods people. It doesn't matter at WHAT POINT IN TIME.........

The Second Resurrection is those NOT OF GOD.

John specifically tells us In Rev 19-20 when the first resurrection is - or at least at what event it takes place and that the 2nd resurrection is 1000 years later. And as yo say the first resurrection is the that of the saints. The second is that of the wicked.

Chapter breaks are not inspired - they were the work of man-alone many centuries later.

The natural chapter break between Cbapter 19 and 20 is some where around 20:6 where it first summarizes chapter 20 then gives details.

 

[BobRyan]

Joh 5:24　 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.　
(This is the first resurrection in John chapter 5. It is the spiritual resurrection, upon faith in Christ. John also recorded Revelation chapter 20. )

Joh 5:25　 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.　

Joh 5:26　 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,　

Joh 5:27　 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.　

Joh 5:28　 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice　(What does the word "all" mean?)

Joh 5:29　 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.　
(This is the second resurrection in John chapter 5. It is of the body.)


Joh 5:30　 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.　

The two verses which refer to the bodily resurrection are bracketed by verses referring to Christ as the judge.

See Revelation 11:18 to find the time of the judgment of the dead.

Rev 20:12　 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.　

Rev 20:13　 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.　

John 5 predicts that in the future - there will be TWO resurrections. In Rev 19-20 John spells out that they are 1000 years apart and that the first resurrection happens at the 2nd coming.

Paul agrees - pointing out in 1Thess 4 that the "Dead in Christ rise first"

 

[BobRyan]

If anyone's name was not found in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
Rev20:15

Clearly at this judgement, saved and unsaved are judged.

Notice that text does not say of those in the second resurrection "if anyone's name was found written in the book of life they were taken to heaven and the 2nd death had no power over them".

It only provides the failing scenario and only says of those in the FIRST resurrection that the second death has no power over them.

The New Heavens and New Earth of Rev 21 immediately follow the Lake of Fire event.

Revelation 19,20,21,22 are all sequential and even Rev 18 occurs before Rev 19,

 

[stuart lawrence]

Notice that text does not say of those in the second resurrection "if anyone's name was found written in the book of life they were taken to heaven and the 2nd death had no power over them".

It only provides the failing scenario and only says of those in the FIRST resurrection that the second death has no power over them.

The New Heavens and New Earth of Rev 21 immediately follow the Lake of Fire event.

Revelation 19,20,21,22 are all sequential and even Rev 18 occurs before Rev 19,

You know the problem with these websites, and i include myself in this. No one us capable if admitting to error!

We must all be popes!

 

[BobRyan]

You know the problem with these websites, and i include myself in this. No one us capable if admitting to error!

We must all be popes!

There is no question that each person has their own opinion and many opinions exist.

But the Bible appears to be clear on this matter of the real 1000 years occuring between the real first-resurrection and the real second resurrection in Rev 20.

What is more - we even have an inspired eye-witness account to go with it -- just as God sent Noah at the destruction of the World the first time - so He keeps to that same method just before the destruction of the world the 2nd time.

And we have an eye witness account

 

[Another Lazarus]

In 1Thess 4 we see a depiction of the second coming of Christ where the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" - in what John calls "The FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:1-5.

You havent comprehend who are the Army of Jesus following Him to Armageddon battle, where they come from ? they were the resurrected early church and the living church raptured be4 the great tribulation, they are the clever virgins taken to the Supper Feast of the Lamb while the foolish virgins shall be LEFT BEHIND.
"Lord Lord open to us" " I dont know you"

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[stuart lawrence]

There is no question that each person has their own opinion and many opinions exist.

But the Bible appears to be clear on this matter of the real 1000 years occuring between the real first-resurrection and the real second resurrection in Rev 20.

What is more - we even have an inspired eye-witness account to go with it -- just as God sent Noah at the destruction of the World the first time - so He keeps to that same method just before the destruction of the world the 2nd time.

And we have an eye witness account

There is no question that each person has their own opinion and many opinions exist.

But the Bible appears to be clear on this matter of the real 1000 years occuring between the real first-resurrection and the real second resurrection in Rev 20.

What is more - we even have an inspired eye-witness account to go with it -- just as God sent Noah at the destruction of the World the first time - so He keeps to that same method just before the destruction of the world the 2nd time.

And we have an eye witness account

I'm not gonna even respond.
Apart from saying.
I agree the first resurrection is a thousand years before the second one.

That's good isn't it. Stick to what we agree on, finish the conversation at a place we agree!!

Imagine that being the case in Christendom at large. Christians uniting where they agree, rather than being divided by what they disagree on.
I know, I'm just a daydreamer!
God bless