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I want to thank you, and two other sda members who, in the last few days have all stressed sins of ignorance, not being convicted of sin at times. It joins up all the dots as it were in my views on your denomination. I have been to an sda church, they seemed real nice and friendly, but all I could think was: Where is the Holy Spirit?
And now, you and others are telling me, we c an break the Ten Commandments and will still be securely saved if we are sinning without the convictor of sin showing us we are sinning, for the Holy Spirit is the convictor of sin. It always comes down to the same thing. Where is the Holy Spirit in the lives of people who can steal, bear false witness, murder, commit adultery etc, unaware they are sinning by doing so
 
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Stephen pollard said: Have you not met any sda members who believe heaven hinges on obeying the Ten Commandments/your justificati0on hinges on that? I have


EPHESIANS 2:8
[8], For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9], Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Many do not know why God has given us his grace..

ROMANS 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

ROMANS 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

Many say only BELIEVE and have faith thinking that faith does away with OBEDIENCE yet true FAITH is demonstrated with the very fruit of OBEDIENCE that works by LOVE.

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

What is sad about those who profess Christianity in disaobedience and lawlessness is that they not only twist scripture but seek to twist what others say abd try to give their words meaning they are not saying. The above post is another good example of spreading misinformation.

God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:8-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

How can you have a gospel if you do not know what the gospel is? The counterfiet gospel is the same one promoted in the Garden of Eden to EVE. It is the false gospel taught in many mainstream Churches of today that teaches you can eat of the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL [SIN] and you will not surely die, when God has commanded you not to eat of it lest you die. *GENESIS 3:1-5.

THE COUNTERFIET GOSPEL TRIES TO SEPARATE GOD'S LAW FROM THE CROSS


NO LAW >>> NO KNOWLEDGE OF SIN>>>NO NEED OF A SAVIOUR>>>NO SALVATION>>>LOST AND WILL PERISH WITHOUT THE LAW BECAUSE STILL IN SIN

* If you have no LAW then you have no KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20.
* If you do not know what sin is then you do not know that you are a sinner in need of a Savior *MATTHEW 9:12-13
*If you do not know that you are a sinner in need of a Savior then you have no salvation *ROMANS 2:12-13
*If you have no salvation then you are lost because you are still in your sins *MATTHEW 7:22-23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5.

The wages of sin is death in all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

If you do not know God's WORD then how can you know what the GOSPEL is when it is the WORD of GOD that is the GOSPEL?

Only GOD'S WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Hope this helps.
 
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. It always comes down to the same thing. Where is the Holy Spirit in the lives of people who can steal, bear false witness, murder, commit adultery etc, unaware they are sinning by doing so

it always comes down to the same thing - where is the Holy Spirit in the lives of those who unwittingly break the Ten Commandments, who pray to the dead who bow down before images and promise to serve those who they represent... we say God the Holy Spirit "exists" anyway and is working on their heart, even if they break the Sabbath where God has said that for all eternity after the cross in the NEW Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

James 4 :17 "Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin."
 
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I wouldn't be so keep to look at other denominations if I was you, as seventh day adventists themselves break the ten commandments with no conviction they are doing so
 
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I have as well. Here is a statement below made from a SDA who I was once in a discussion with.

Wow "a SDA who you were once in discussion with" ...

and now we have people here on this thread who are in real life "in discussion with an SDA"...

Level playing field in that regard.

But the documented Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists do not "change" each time you find "an SDA to discuss with" as we all know...
 
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I wouldn't be so keep to look at other denominations if I was you, as seventh day adventists themselves break the ten commandments with no conviction they are doing so

A. you give no proof.
B. you seem to be making my point about James 4:17 without showing how it applies in that case.
 
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A. you give no proof.
B. you seem to be making my point about James 4:17 without showing how it applies in that case.
No proof? How many times must I tell you, I saw many people taking the Lords name in vain at AN sda church with no conviction whatsoever they were breaking the Ten Commandments. And you have now stated, if you break the Ten Commandments but are not convicted you sin by breaking them you remain saved, no risk to you at all. This backs up what two other sda members have stated here in the last few days
 
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No proof? How many times must I tell you, I saw many people taking the Lords name in vain at AN sda church

Sounds a bit odd...

At this point I am willing to think I have been to more SDA churches than you but I do not find such things to be true when I go there.
 
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You could make a case for not immediately being conscious you sin by a derivative of love your neighbour for example. An unkind thought slips your mind. But to say you can be ignorant to the fact you commit sin if you lie, steal, murder, commit adultery etc ,is in my view ludicrous
 
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The examples I gave were
praying to the dead
bowing down before images and promising to serve those they represent
Sabbath breaking..

IE. breaking the Ten Commandments "he who breaks one breaks them all" James 2.

Bible details matter in that sola-scriptura testing model.
 
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Sounds a bit odd...

At this point I am willing to think I have been to more SDA churches than you but I do not find such things to be true when I go there.
Why are you surprised? If you can sin by breaking the Ten Commandments without knowing you are sinning, it is quite natural what the result will be
 
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I see, so the fourth commandment is not as important as some of the others?
 
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So the only "connection" is William Miller.
 
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Why? You seem to be saying there is no excuse for ignorance concerning breaking some of the Ten Commandments but there is others

Rather I point to over a billion that seem to be having some excuse - as I said we do not consider that they are lost simply because they are uninformed on that point.
 
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Why? You seem to be saying there is no excuse for ignorance concerning breaking some of the Ten Commandments but there is others

There are Christians who do not oppose abortion -- I never said that all of them are lost

You are straining and still not finding anything of substance to condemn
 
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