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dvd_holc said:
Do live the law or by faith? Do you look to your deeds to justify ourself or do you look at the faith that made you ready vessal to do the will of God then looking back on your deed praise God for it? Is you belief only based on the things that you identify are works of the spirit or is it something more than all of what you see?

fruit of christianity will show in every aspect of our lives. when i look into organizations i look into how much they are being effective in reaching out to lost souls. it's not so hard to search around. we have to give up a lot to reach out to other countries disciples. SDAs are being very effective. i just looking into it. I heard Doug Batchelor saying that 10% of giving should be our starting point. I could see why they are so fruitful. By the way i don't think SDA is popular denomination. we have to watch out for popular denominations.
 
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Mrs.Wildee said:
I don't understand everything what God teaches or commands. Just because we don't understand does not give us an excuse for being disobedient. We should have a child's mind when it comes to obedience. If God is helping Christians to be fruitful they are doing something right and the SDAs are doing a lot of things right. I am comparing to other denominations. I feel blessed seeing fruitful Christians since we have so many bad reports about Christians, and it's not just a report, I have been witnessing a lot of bad ones all around me for over 30 years.
I would recommend not comparing one denomination to another as a general practice. Compare them all the the Bible and look at the fruits of their spirit. = )
 
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Mrs.Wildee said:
fruit of christianity will show in every aspect of our lives. when i look into organizations i look into how much they are being effective in reaching out to lost souls. it's not so hard to search around. we have to give up a lot to reach out to other countries disciples. SDAs are being very effective. i just looking into it. I heard Doug Batchelor saying that 10% of giving should be our starting point. I could see why they are so fruitful. By the way i don't think SDA is popular denomination. we have to watch out for popular denominations.

Tithing, Sabbath keeping, Soul sleep, one does not become an SDA to be popular.
 
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I would recommend not comparing one denomination to another as a general practice. Compare them all the the Bible and look at the fruits of their spirit. = )

you are right. i am just trying to make my point across. i have looked into SDA and they are showing a lot of fruit of Christianity. it's so blessing to see Christians with such powerful fruit. most dont even bother to look into even their own churches fruit. i believe it's because most really dont care. as Christians we should know how we are being helpful for the Lord in everything we do.
 
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hey mrs wildee,

Yes, you touched on some things that are important. Spreading word and getting people to believe is a large part. Yet, to just get people to say they believe is only part of mission. The healing of the soul is the complete mission. I would like to empathize that a church should be driven to healing of the soul. I have seen often that many churches get people into the doors. They want them apart of their fellowship. They give them programs and events to be in fellowship and gain more people to their church. Yet, the function of church is to gain strong health believers who display God to the world. If we just get them in the door to believe or for them to say they believe...we fail short on the healing of the soul. Often many people have so much baggage in life that hurts so much....they when some event occurs that sparks that memory they lose focus of who they are. We have issues with regret, unforgivenness, bitterness, angry, rage, as "believers"...many people say they have faith but...Fresh believers crave but don't always seek the peace of God...the healing of the soul. I have asked many people what is church...and most talk about fellowship and getting together with others, singing...yet very few mention that they need further healing because they aren't quit at peace...we all have issues that God confronts...to make us strong believers...I have not heard you mention this once...You quickly say fruits....yet where is the healing? you might say it is understood with being a believer....but that is one way of sweping it under the rug and not addressing the issue. We are to truely living life to the full. We don't let frustration of injustice (sin) stop our purpose in life. To say never again is to say there is no forgiveness for them...
 
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hey mrs wildee,

Yes, you touched on some things that are important. Spreading word and getting people to believe is a large part. Yet, to just get people to say they believe is only part of mission. The healing of the soul is the complete mission. I would like to empathize that a church should be driven to healing of the soul. I have seen often that many churches get people into the doors. They want them apart of their fellowship. They give them programs and events to be in fellowship and gain more people to their church. Yet, the function of church is to gain strong health believers who display God to the world. If we just get them in the door to believe or for them to say they believe...we fail short on the healing of the soul. Often many people have so much baggage in life that hurts so much....they when some event occurs that sparks that memory they lose focus of who they are. We have issues with regret, unforgivenness, bitterness, angry, rage, as "believers"...many people say they have faith but...Fresh believers crave but don't always seek the peace of God...the healing of the soul. I have asked many people what is church...and most talk about fellowship and getting together with others, singing...yet very few mention that they need further healing because they aren't quit at peace...we all have issues that God confronts...to make us strong believers...I have not heard you mention this once...You quickly say fruits....yet where is the healing? you might say it is understood with being a believer....but that is one way of sweping it under the rug and not addressing the issue. We are to truely living life to the full. We don't let frustration of injustice (sin) stop our purpose in life. To say never again is to say there is no forgiveness for them...

fruit of christianity covers everything. i am talking about every aspects of christianity. of course we should help each other to become strong believers. but most church goers dont want to be strong believers. this is serious problem. i think i expressed this when i PMed you. if you did not get my point that time you will never understand my christianity. i will not repeat myself over and over
 
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I do agree that someone will report it...if we don't stop....yet, here you are saying life onto the fruit of the spirit...which can be stereotypical to most of your post and speaking the words of the Holy Spirit. yet, you have misjudged me when I spoke the words also...yet you do say that you have no interest in a church that does not follow your standards...or people who don't follow the fruits....yet, I see that stereotyping me is making your own reality for me without the knowledge of who I am...you have lied about who I am. You speak to these people about living the fruits...yet here you weren't doing it yourself. Also, there is outreach section and a christian struggles sections...I have not seen you there. Here are chances for you to reach out...which you seem to count more than any other thing about our purpose...I have been on those sections...I have not seen you...I have not said you have not done anything in your life...yet here is a chance for you to do it...
 
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dvd_holc said:
I do agree that someone will report it...if we don't stop....yet, here you are saying life onto the fruit of the spirit...which can be stereotypical to most of your post and speaking the words of the Holy Spirit. yet, you have misjudged me when I spoke the words also...yet you do say that you have no interest in a church that does not follow your standards...or people who don't follow the fruits....yet, I see that stereotyping me is making your own reality for me without the knowledge of who I am...you have lied about who I am. You speak to these people about living the fruits...yet here you weren't doing it yourself. Also, there is outreach section and a christian struggles sections...I have not seen you there. Here are chances for you to reach out...which you seem to count more than any other thing about our purpose...I have been on those sections...I have not seen you...I have not said you have not done anything in your life...yet here is a chance for you to do it...

good day, dvd.

May God blesss you
 
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WalksWithChrist said:
http://amightywind.com/adventist/seventhdayadventist.htm
Don't know how authoritative this site it, but I would like to know if most of this is true or not. If a lot of it is true, then I'm scared! ; )

At least part of this true. I wouldn't call them a cult, though.

The SDA church was born out the "great disappointment" of 1844, when the expected return of Christ did not happen. To explain the failure, EW and all stated that instead, it had been the time for Jesus to start a new phase of atonement. They state this belief here:
http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html
24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:
There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)

There really is no reason to believe that Christ waited until 1844 to start cleansing the heavenly sancuary. In Leviticus 16, we learn all about the Day of Atonement. Blood from the bulluck and the goat and springle it in the Holy Splace. it is the only time the High Priest was allowed in.
Jesus already offerred His blood in the heavenly sanctuary:

Hbr 9:11 But when Christ appeared {as} a high priest of the good things to come, {He entered} through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;

Hbr 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Christ offered His blood in the heavenly sanctuary way before 1844:
Hbr 9:11 But when Christ appeared {as} a high priest of the good things to come, {He entered} through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;

Hbr 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
I don't think the scriptures that offered with #24 quoted above actually show what they claim.
 
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WalksWithChrist said:
http://amightywind.com/adventist/seventhdayadventist.htm
Don't know how authoritative this site it, but I would like to know if most of this is true or not. If a lot of it is true, then I'm scared! ; )

It is an anti-SDA site so most of it cannot be trusted as being what SDA's believe.

They claim to be Sabbath keepers but not SDA.
 
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