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statrei · Aug 13, 2005

deu58 said:
Hello Stateri

Well, You are supposed to be the "Theologian" Here so you tell me something. According to bible and Gods way of keeping time, Not mans, When does the Seventh day start and when does it end??

yours in Christ
deu 58

This has nothing to do with my theology. It has everything to do with your claim. There is a reason why I celebrate my birthday on a certain day. It is based on the day that I was born.

deu58 · Aug 13, 2005

Hello Stateri

statrei said:
This has nothing to do with my theology. It has everything to do with your claim. There is a reason why I celebrate my birthday on a certain day. It is based on the day that I was born.

Ahhh yes here we go again with your " Seat of your pantsTheology" I asked a simple question about the biblical concept of when one day begins and one day ends and you want to talk about your birthday,

According to biblical Time keeping is there a different way that theday starts and ends because it is your birthday???

yours in Christ
deu 58

statrei · Aug 13, 2005

deu58 said:
Hello Stateri

Ahhh yes here we go again with your " Seat of your pantsTheology" I asked a simple question about the biblical concept of when one day begins and one day ends and you want to talk about your birthday,

According to biblical Time keeping is there a different way that theday starts and ends because it is your birthday???

yours in Christ
deu 58

No need to twist the truth. This all began when I asked you what hour He was raised. Since then you have been trying, unsuccessfully, to change it to something else. You made a claim publicly. I am asking you to justify it publicly. That's all. Stop the dancing. Your shoes are too tight.

deu58 · Aug 13, 2005

Hi Stateri

statrei said:
No need to twist the truth. This all began when I asked you what hour He was raised. Since then you have been trying, unsuccessfully, to change it to something else. You made a claim publicly. I am asking you to justify it publicly. That's all. Stop the dancing. Your shoes are too tight.

Who is doing the dancing? I asked you a simple bible question and you have not answered it yet,

yours in Christ
deu 58

statrei · Aug 13, 2005

deu58 said:
Hi Stateri

Who is doing the dancing? I asked you a simple bible question and you have not answered it yet,

yours in Christ
deu 58

Anyone following the thread knows that your question was an attempt to answer the question I posed to you.

deu58 · Aug 13, 2005

Hello

statrei said:
Anyone following the thread knows that your question was an attempt to answer the question I posed to you.

I have answered your question a half a dozen different ways on to you on a different thread, None of them acceptable to you,

So now answer mine ,

statrei · Aug 13, 2005

deu58 said:
Hello

I have answered your question a half a dozen different ways on to you on a different thread, None of them acceptable to you,

So now answer mine ,

You have never and you know it. It is such a simple question. Did he arise before or after midnight?

SearchingSDA · Aug 13, 2005

statrei said:
You have never and you know it. It is such a simple question. Did he arise before or after midnight?

I'll still go with after midnight.

Mark 16:9 (King James Version)

9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

deu58 · Aug 14, 2005

Hello Stateri

statrei said:
You have never and you know it. It is such a simple question. Did he arise before or after midnight?

Yes I have and here it is again,

Mt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mt 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

ejpifwvskw Epiphosko (ep-ee-foce'-ko);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 2020

to grow light, to dawn

KJV Word Usage and Count
begin to dawn 1
draw on

The word used for dawn only has one meaning, The Jews understood the difference between dusk and dawn and from sunset to sunset and even to even, Jesus rose from the dead after midnight,

Now answer my question,

yours in Christ
deu 58

statrei · Aug 14, 2005

deu58 said:
Hello Stateri

Yes I have and here it is again,

Mt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mt 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

ejpifwvskw Epiphosko (ep-ee-foce'-ko);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 2020

to grow light, to dawn

KJV Word Usage and Count
begin to dawn 1
draw on

The word used for dawn only has one meaning, The Jews understood the difference between dusk and dawn and from sunset to sunset and even to even, Jesus rose from the dead after midnight,

Now answer my question,

yours in Christ
deu 58

Your text says when the women arrived at the tomb. It does not answer the question when He did arise. All we know from that text is that he was already arisen by the the time they got there.

FreeinChrist · Aug 14, 2005

statrei said:
Your text says when the women arrived at the tomb. It does not answer the question when He did arise. All we know from that text is that he was already arisen by the the time they got there.

Is this a new tact to try and justify Fri-Sat eve worship only?

Is there ANY Biblical support for Jesus rising before sundown Saturday night?

SearchingSDA · Aug 14, 2005

statrei said:
Your text says when the women arrived at the tomb. It does not answer the question when He did arise. All we know from that text is that he was already arisen by the the time they got there.

Well, then what was wrong with my text? It says very clearly "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week".

Mark 16:9 (King James Version)

9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

statrei · Aug 14, 2005

SearchingSDA said:
Well, then what was wrong with my text? It says very clearly "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week".

Would that be Saturday night, or after midnight?

statrei · Aug 14, 2005

FreeinChrist said:
Is this a new tact to try and justify Fri-Sat eve worship only?

Is there ANY Biblical support for Jesus rising before sundown Saturday night?

Instead of trying to extinguish a fire you may be afraid of, why not engage in the study? I am not trying to sell you anything, only allowing you to determine whether you know why you do what you do. It's your life and your destiny.

FreeinChrist · Aug 14, 2005

statrei said:
Instead of trying to extinguish a fire you may be afraid of, why not engage in the study? I am not trying to sell you anything, only allowing you to determine whether you know why you do what you do. It's your life and your destiny.

Extinguish a fire? What fire?

FreeinChrist · Aug 14, 2005

SearchingSDA said:
Well, then what was wrong with my text? It says very clearly "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week".

And note this:
Mat 27:63 and said, "Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I {am to} rise again.'

Mat 27:64 "Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, otherwise His disciples may come and steal Him away and say to the people, 'He has risen from the dead,' and the last deception will be worse than the first."

Mat 27:65 Pilate said to them, "You have a guard; go, make it {as} secure as you know how."

Mat 27:66 And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone.

Luk 24:1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

Luk 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb,

Luk 24:3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

Luk 24:4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing;

Luk 24:5 and as {the women} were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, {the men} said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead?

Luk 24:6 "He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee,

Luk 24:7 saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."

Luk 24:8 And they remembered His words,

Luk 24:45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

Luk 24:46 and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,

Luk 24:47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

statrei · Aug 14, 2005

FreeinChrist said:
Extinguish a fire? What fire?

That's what puzzling me. You immediately referred to some novel approach for advancing some other idea..

deu58 · Aug 14, 2005

Hello Sateri

statrei said:
That's what puzzling me. You immediately referred to some novel approach for advancing some other idea..

Here you go dancing around the issue, You seem to forget that the earthquake happened as the women were going to the tomb at dawn,

And you never did answer my question, But that is to expected, You probably never will, As to learning something new, I have seen enough of your theology to know that you have nothing to offer,

yous in Christ
deu 58

statrei · Aug 14, 2005

deu58 said:
Hello Sateri

Here you go dancing around the issue, You seem to forget that the earthquake happened as the women were going to the tomb at dawn,

And you never did answer my question, But that is to expected, You probably never will, As to learning something new, I have seen enough of theology to know that you have nothing to offer,

yous in Christ
deu 58

Quit the nonsense and engage in discourse. You may be correct regarding the earthquake. Please provide the relative citation.

Again, I am not hear to teach you, so there is no need to fear. As to your ability to see clearly something you have never experienced, I can only commend you on your unique ability.

FreeinChrist · Aug 14, 2005

statrei said:
That's what puzzling me. You immediately referred to some novel approach for advancing some other idea..

Yep some new tact....but there is no fire, statrei.

You are just playing games.

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