SDA Prophet Ellen White Trivializes Evil

[Dale]

Is Ellen White’s practice of not naming people that she disagrees with Biblical? People who were in conflict with the Apostles are named in the Bible. The following passage, about the Apostle Phillip and Simon, a former magician, is one passage where this happens. This Simon has been called Simon Magus or Simon Magnus, although this does not appear in the Bible.

From Acts 8:

9 But there was a man named Simon who had previously practiced magic in the city and amazed the nation of Samar′ia, saying that he himself was somebody great. 10 They all gave heed to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, “This man is that power of God which is called Great.” 11 And they gave heed to him, because for a long time he had amazed them with his magic. 12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.
14 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samar′ia had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit; 16 for it had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me also this power, that any one on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” 20 But Peter said to him, “Your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! 21 You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent therefore of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.” 24 And Simon answered, “Pray for me to the Lord, that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.”

[FONT=&quot]--Acts 8: 9-24 RSV[/FONT]

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[Dale]

In two different passages Paul is in conflict with smiths, one a silversmith and one a coppersmith. In both cases they are named.


23 About that time there arose no little stir concerning the Way. 24 For a man named Deme′trius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Ar′temis, brought no little business to the craftsmen. 25 These he gathered together, with the workmen of like occupation, and said, “Men, you know that from this business we have our wealth. 26 And you see and hear that not only at Ephesus but almost throughout all Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a considerable company of people, saying that gods made with hands are not gods. 27 And there is danger not only that this trade of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Ar′temis may count for nothing, and that she may even be deposed from her magnificence, she whom all Asia and the world worship.”
Acts 19:23-27 RSV

14 Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will requite him for his deeds. 15 Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message.
II Timothy 4:14-15 RSV

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In two different passages Paul is in conflict with smiths, one a silversmith and one a coppersmith. In both cases they are named.


23 About that time there arose no little stir concerning the Way. 24 For a man named Deme′trius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Ar′temis, brought no little business to the craftsmen. 25 These he gathered together, with the workmen of like occupation, and said, “Men, you know that from this business we have our wealth. 26 And you see and hear that not only at Ephesus but almost throughout all Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a considerable company of people, saying that gods made with hands are not gods. 27 And there is danger not only that this trade of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Ar′temis may count for nothing, and that she may even be deposed from her magnificence, she whom all Asia and the world worship.”
Acts 19:23-27 RSV

14 Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will requite him for his deeds. 15 Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message.
II Timothy 4:14-15 RSV

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This reminds me of an instance in my own life. I was once in a church where one of the leaders had a one-sided disagreement with me. He apparently thought that if he did not mention me by name he was free to slander me. During that time a new member joined us. One Sunday this leader invited him to lunch. The following Sunday I had lunch with him. Over lunch he breathlessly told me of all the vile things the leader had told him about this wayward member (myself). I nearly burst out laughing, but restrained myself and assured him that I knew this individual very well and that half had not been told about him.

James 3:6

 

[Dale]

Paul did not always name the people in the churches he wrote to that he was in disagreement with. Most likely, the reason that Paul does not name them is that he hopes for reconciliation. Naming someone on the other side of a debate in a letter that will be read to the whole church would be likely to harden their position.

The Gospels don’t name all the Pharisees who questioned Christ. However, given the lapse of years before the Gospels were written, the Gospel authors probably would not remember these names, if they ever knew them.

Ellen White’s reasons for reducing people to namelessness seem to be entirely different. It might make it too obvious that she turned on people who had stood by her for years. In addition, she seems to see anyone who disagrees with her an insignificant. For that matter, she seems to see anyone who does not recognize her as a prophet as insignificant.

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[Dale]

This reminds me of an instance in my own life. I was once in a church where one of the leaders had a one-sided disagreement with me. He apparently thought that if he did not mention me by name he was free to slander me. During that time a new member joined us. One Sunday this leader invited him to lunch. The following Sunday I had lunch with him. Over lunch he breathlessly told me of all the vile things the leader had told him about this wayward member (myself). I nearly burst out laughing, but restrained myself and assured him that I knew this individual very well and that half had not been told about him.

James 3:6

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Your CF name is a model of simplicity. Does bbbbbbb stand for something?


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bbbbbbb,

Your CF name is a model of simplicity. Does bbbbbbb stand for something?


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Actually, not really. When I first joined I had a fairly standard name. One day I found myself unable to log on. Try as I might, I failed. So I opened a new account and decided to keep it simple. The a's were already taken so I went for the b's. I think it is probably one of the more memorable names here. When I get frustrated I flutter my lips, making a bbbbbbb sound to remind myself that I shouldn't take myself so seriously.

 

[Dale]

[FONT=&quot]At a time when Ellen White was worried that her husband might get cholera, she had a dream about her husband and cholera. At the end he drinks clean water from a river, which is supposed to be the cure. EW spends a page recounting this dream, yet the dream contains no mention of God, Jesus Christ, heaven, or angels. Although EW claims to have had innumerable revelations, she rarely describes them. She must believe this dream is a special dream that means something or she would not devote so much space to it. Yet it seems to have no religious meaning. If it contains any religious symbolism, she doesn’t interpret it.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I find it completely unsatisfying for EW to claim Divine revelations without recounting them for our benefit. Here she does write down a dream and yet it isn’t clear that this dream has any religious dimension at all.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]If EW had many revelations, as she claims, it is surprising that she can make space for this dream and yet can find no space to tell us about her revelations.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This dream is found on Life Sketches, p. 124.[/FONT]

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[Dale]

[FONT=&quot]One of the reasons I’m skeptical about religious mystics who claim huge numbers of revelations without recounting them is that I’ve read Emanuel Swedenborg. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Swedenborg (1688-1772) was a scientist, a sort of Renaissance man, until he retired to become a religious mystic at the age of 56. He claimed innumerable visions. His writings are volumous. I believe that his collected works are around thirty very thick volumes. Yet for all his extensive writing after he started having visions, he rarely tells us exactly what he saw or experienced. Instead, he tells us what we are supposed to believe. He tells us what we are supposed to think but rarely gives us any specific authority beyond his claim that God made him the visionary who would know such things. In what order did he learn the spiritual principles that he later taught? We don’t know. Were any of them hard for him to accept? Apparently not. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The same problems emerge on reading Ellen White. She tells us that God gave her visions but rarely lets us in on exactly what she saw or experienced. That’s why it is all the more startling when she recounts a meaningful dream (see last post) with no religious images. Is this the best she can do?

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[childofdust]

I saw this thread and before I looked at the author, I thought, “This has to be Dale” because of all the threads I have ever read, the only threads I have read that are started by Dale are those that have something negative to say about Ellen White. And, lo, it was so! Dale obviously has a personal ax to grind against EW. It shows in his criticisms as we will see.

(Note: I'm no SDA and I have no love or care for the SDAs – I am simply an outside observer who will sometimes stand up for others when I see them being falsely and ridiculously accused).

Normally it would be presumptuous of a mortal to claim to know exactly what Satan is trying to do. She gives no vision to back up her assumption, and this is typical. She simply assumes that those who are telling her husband that his health problems will not allow him to continue to run a small paper are “agents” of “Satan.”

Just because someone says “Satan is trying to do X” doesn't mean that they are necessarily claiming to see some sort of spiritual reality full of angelic beings. Rather, it can simply mean “people were trying to get my husband to do what he shouldn't.” It is speaking of material events in spiritual words. Any mortal can do that. Some believers do it all the time! They continually use a kind of hyper-Christianized speech throughout their daily life which doesn't have any special “revelatory” meaning at all. Any mortal can do it quite easily. Satan take me if it isn't so! (See what I did there? I wasn't actually calling on Satan at all! But to Dale, apparently, I can only say that if I am. Methinks Dale is too hung up on irrelevant semantics.)

Ellen White apparently believed that she was living in the last days before the Second Coming.

“It is Satan’s special object to prevent this light from coming to the people of god, who so greatly need it amid the perils of these last days.” Life Sketches, p. 201.

The Life Sketches of Ellen White was published in 1860, so it has now been 152 years since she said this. Apparently she was wrong.

Some New Testament authors also speak as though they are living in the last days. And it's been far longer. Are they even MORE wrong?

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son.
--Hebrews 1:1-2a

Oddly enough, the “prophet” Ellen White seems to spend more time talking about physical evil, disease, bad health, than about moral evil.

So what's the problem with her talking about what she wants to talk about? If she doesn't want to talk about moral evil, why should that be a problem? I haven't mentioned moral evil anywhere in my post until this point. Does that make my post bad? No. It simply isn't the subject-matter I'm dealing with. Why should that reflect badly on EW?

In the end, she has no insight as to why people get sick, but she sees her own diseases, and those in her family, as a personal battle with Satan.

Again, what's the problem? If she only wants to talk about things that are happening to her and her family and what it means, without making some kind of universal statement about diseases, why should that be a problem? Just because she doesn't talk about what you want her to doesn't make what she says wrong.

“We believed that Satan was trying to hinder us, and my husband decided to go, trusting in the Lord.” … “My husband had to be helped into the wagon, yet every mile we rode he gained strength.”

This would seem to verify her statements. If her husband got better from a terrible illness under extreme conditions, which normally would have most likely resulted in death. So what's the problem?

The SDA's seem to have a policy of not responding to what I say.

Probably because your criticisms don't seem to be based on anything substantial except your own a priori objection.

It is difficult to avoid the impression that Ellen is the dominant partner in this relationship. Submitting to her husband doesn’t seem to be her thing.

Just because she mentions her husband responding to her needs, this makes her someone who doesn't submit? What ludicrous reasoning!

Seventh Day Adventists teach that there is no permanent hell, no place of eternal suffering.

Then they're biblically correct.

SDA’s often deny the immortality of the soul, or the existence of a soul,

Then they're in line with what Christianity has always believed for the past 2,000+ years except in the West under the influence of Augustine who was the first to say such a thing, and for that reason has been rejected by virtually the entire Eastern Church as heretical.

In Life Sketches, EW explains that she discarded the traditional Christian belief in a fiery hell, or any other permanent hell, along with eternal torment, after a conversation with her mother. She discarded belief in a soul separate from the body at the same time. No visions, just a long talk with her mother.

Which means that she wasn't trying to make people believe what she wanted by claiming divine authority for it. That makes her a more credible person. So what's your problem?

 

[Pythons]

childofdust,

Perhaps Dale does not agree with Ellen White's prophetic teaching where she affirms with velocity....
...That Jesus possessed a "conditional deity", a deity which was "on loan" from 'God'.
...And that HAD Jesus sinned ( which Ellen taught was very possible ), that.
...'God' would have eternally annihilated Christ so that whatever it was that Christ was pre and post Incarnation.
...Would have eternally ceased to exist.

Perhaps Dale is unhappy about that teaching of Ellen White and this is why he vents the way he does?

 

[Dale]

[FONT=&quot]Childofdust in post #29:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Childofdust, thanks for joining the conversation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You should know better than to say that I only start threads on SDA belief. Last May and June you made a number of posts to my thread, David & KJV.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Since last December, I have done threads on abuse by priests, the Federal Reserve Board, Mitt Romney’s religion, on the PLO, the Tea Party, and on leading Republicans and taxes, among other subjects.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]“[/FONT]Just because someone says “Satan is trying to do X” doesn't mean that they are necessarily claiming to see some sort of spiritual reality full of angelic beings. Rather, it can simply mean “people were trying to get my husband to do what he shouldn't.” It is speaking of material events in spiritual words. Any mortal can do that. Some believers do it all the time! They continually use a kind of hyper-Christianized speech throughout their daily life which doesn't have any special “revelatory” meaning at all. Any mortal can do it quite easily. Satan take me if it isn't so! (See what I did there? I wasn't actually calling on Satan at all! But to Dale, apparently, I can only say that if I am. Methinks Dale is too hung up on irrelevant semantics.)[FONT=&quot]”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The Adventists do claim that Ellen White sees angelic beings and that she received revelations on who is in Satan’s clutches.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“[/FONT]Some New Testament authors also speak as though they are living in the last days. And it's been far longer. Are they even MORE wrong?[FONT=&quot]”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]One point that you overlook is that we know that the New Testament is true. We don’t know that Ellen White received genuine revelations and there is considerable evidence that she is a false prophet.
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[Dale]

[FONT=&quot]I have commented on how Ellen White tells us what she has learned from her “revelations” but rarely describes these revelations.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Zechariah is one prophet describes his visions in detail.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Here are the headings in my Bible for the visions of Zechariah.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Man Among the Myrtle Trees[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Four Horns and Four Craftsmen[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A Man With a Measuring Line[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Clean Garments for the High Priest[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Gold Lampstand the Two Olive Trees[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Flying Scroll[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Four Chariots[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A Crown for Joshua[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]At least eight visions of Zechariah are recounted in considerable detail, something we do not find in Ellen White.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Likewise, in Acts 10, Peter’s vision before going to the home of Cornelius the Centurion is given in detail.[/FONT]

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[Dale]

[FONT=&quot]Ellen White may have been inspired by the example of Ann Lee, the leader of the Shakers. Lee was the first woman to lead a church in the United States. Lee claimed to be “Christ’s female counterpart” and to embody “all the perfections of God,” as Wikipedia puts it.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]One of the most startling aspects of Lee’s teaching is her complete rejection of marriage and sexuality. Apparently, she would have preferred to remain single, but her father forced her into a marriage. After having four children who died in infancy, she turned against sexuality completely. Lee required her followers to live communally and be celibate.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Ann Lee and Ellen White have at least three points in common, besides being women.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]First, both are religious visionaries, they claimed special revelations from God, not available to others.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Second, both drew converts from those who were already outside of mainstream Protestantism. EW drew converts from those who had believed William Miller’s claim that the world must end in 1844.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Third, there is pacifism. Ann Lee was a Quaker before she was a Shaker, so pacifism would come natural. She was neutral during the Revolutionary War. Ellen White’s stance is a bit more confusing. SDA’s today claim to be pacifists, so they retroactively would like to make EW one. She was hostile to Abraham Lincoln and his Administration, and saw the Civil War as useless. She actually endorsed service in the Union Army when the war was almost over and it became clear that the Union had won. Thus, Ellen White was either a pacifist or couldn’t make up her mind.



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[Dale]

childofdust,

Perhaps Dale does not agree with Ellen White's prophetic teaching where she affirms with velocity....
...That Jesus possessed a "conditional deity", a deity which was "on loan" from 'God'.
...And that HAD Jesus sinned ( which Ellen taught was very possible ), that.
...'God' would have eternally annihilated Christ so that whatever it was that Christ was pre and post Incarnation.
...Would have eternally ceased to exist.

Perhaps Dale is unhappy about that teaching of Ellen White and this is why he vents the way he does?

Thanks for your help, Pythons. Do you ever use the Python programming language?

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[Dale]

[FONT=&quot]Pythons raised the question of what E. White thought about the Trinity, the Divinity of Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]What was Ellen White’s view of the Deity of Christ?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This is what I have been able to find out.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The following comes from a website, given below, put up by “Brother Hatton,” who apparently is an SDA. He does say that at one time in her life EW was influenced by her husband, who did not fully accept the Trinity.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Brother Hatton cites a 2006 article in the Journal of the Adventist Theological Society. The exact citation is [/FONT][FONT=&quot]17/1, 2006, pages 163, 164. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]According to the article, Ellen White’s view was that before the Fall of the Rebel Angels, Christ “had the pre-eminence” over all other angels of Heaven. God the Creator convened a heavenly council to bestow the “special honor” of equality with God on Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This leaves the impression that Christ was not equal with the Father before this heavenly council. EW had to go out of her way to deny that Christ’s position had changed in her 1890 book Patriarchs and Prophets.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yet we are left wondering. If EW is right, it sounds like Christ’s position did change. At the very least it sounds like the angels of heaven were unaware of Christ’s special position at one time. If EW is fallible, despite her multitude of “revelations,” it sounds like she changed her mind and backtracked from her previous prophetic pronouncements.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Brother Hatton’s website:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Pythons raised the question of what E. White thought about the Trinity, the Divinity of Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]What was Ellen White’s view of the Deity of Christ?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This is what I have been able to find out.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The following comes from a website, given below, put up by “Brother Hatton,” who apparently is an SDA. He does say that at one time in her life EW was influenced by her husband, was did not fully accept the Trinity.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Brother Hatton cites a 2006 article in the Journal of the Adventist Theological Society. The exact citation is [/FONT][FONT=&quot]17/1, 2006, pages 163, 164. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]According to the article, Ellen White’s view was that before the Fall of the Rebel Angels, Christ “had the pre-eminence” over all other angels of Heaven. God the Creator convened a heavenly council to bestow the “special honor” of equality with God on Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This leaves the impression that Christ was not equal with the Father before this heavenly council. EW had to go out of her way to deny that Christ’s position had changed in her 1890 book Patriarchs and Prophets.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yet we are left wondering. If EW is right, it sounds like Christ’s position did change. At the very least it sounds like the angels of heaven were unaware of Christ’s special position at one time. If EW is fallible, despite her multitude of “revelations,” it sounds like she changed her mind and backtracked from her previous prophetic pronouncements.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Brother Hatton’s website:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Trinity Doctrine |[/FONT]

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This is what is politely called "progressive revelation".

 

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[FONT=&quot]Childofdust in post #29:[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]“[/FONT]I saw this thread and before I looked at the author, I thought, “This has to be Dale” because of all the threads I have ever read, the only threads I have read that are started by Dale are those that have something negative to say about Ellen White. And, lo, it was so! Dale obviously has a personal ax to grind against EW. It shows in his criticisms as we will see.[FONT=&quot]”[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Childofdust, thanks for joining the conversation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You should know better than to say that I only start threads on SDA belief. Last May and June you made a number of posts to my thread, David & KJV.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Since last December, I have done threads on abuse by priests, the Federal Reserve Board, Mitt Romney’s religion, on the PLO, the Tea Party, and on leading Republicans and taxes, among other subjects.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]“[/FONT]Just because someone says “Satan is trying to do X” doesn't mean that they are necessarily claiming to see some sort of spiritual reality full of angelic beings. Rather, it can simply mean “people were trying to get my husband to do what he shouldn't.” It is speaking of material events in spiritual words. Any mortal can do that. Some believers do it all the time! They continually use a kind of hyper-Christianized speech throughout their daily life which doesn't have any special “revelatory” meaning at all. Any mortal can do it quite easily. Satan take me if it isn't so! (See what I did there? I wasn't actually calling on Satan at all! But to Dale, apparently, I can only say that if I am. Methinks Dale is too hung up on irrelevant semantics.)[FONT=&quot]”[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]The Adventists do claim that Ellen White sees angelic beings and that she received revelations on who is in Satan’s clutches.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]“[/FONT]Some New Testament authors also speak as though they are living in the last days. And it's been far longer. Are they even MORE wrong?[FONT=&quot]”[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]One point that you overlook is that we know that the New Testament is true. We don’t know that Ellen White received genuine revelations and there is considerable evidence that she is a false prophet. [/FONT]

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One of the problems I have with EGW is the use of my guiding angel. This type of leadership is found only in the occult world. It is not found in the Bible for the Christian. We are led by the (Holy) Spirit - Gal 5:18. Jesus promises the Holy Spirit will teach us in John 14:26.

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[Pythons]

Thanks for your help, Pythons. Do you ever use the Python programming language?

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Never used it - you certainly bring some interesting questions up about Ellen White.

 

[Dale]

[FONT=&quot]In one passage, EW, during a revelation, falls at the feet of the angel who is guiding her. This happens at least twice.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] “Presently an angel bade me rise, and the sight that met my eyes can hardly be described.”

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]“Again I fell like one dead, at the feet of my accompanying angel. … The angel raised me to my feet, and said …”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Both quotes are p. 91, Life Sketches[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In the Book of Revelation, John fell at the feet of an accompanying angel and was cautioned not to do this. Ellen White received no such caution.

[/FONT] 8 I John am he who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me; 9 but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brethren the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
[FONT=&quot]Revelation 22: 8-9 RSV

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]It is interesting that EW is not given the same caution that John the Revelator was given.[/FONT]


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[Dale]

[FONT=&quot]While at Oswego, NY, and Camden, NY, Ellen White had a series of revelations on a woman who was a hypocrite. First, the Lord warned her that she would soon meet a woman who was a despicable hypocrite. Then she met this woman at a church meeting in Camden. At night, she has a dream about a closet full of rubbish, which represents the soul of the despicable hypocrite. Then, during a church service, she has a vision where Jesus frowns on this woman and her husband. The woman is said to be in “perfect darkness” and “full of corruption.” Later this woman repents.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This is in Life Sketches, p. 129-130.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]In the Gospels, Jesus is never at a loss for words. Even at the age of 12, he confounds the learned Pharisees. In contrast, the Jesus of Ellen White prefers nonverbal communication, or is reduced to it. He does little more than frown on people who are in evil.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]If God were to give a revelation to an individual, it is hard to believe that God could not find a more elevating subject. Old Testament prophets talked about the fate of cities and nations. Think of all the theological questions, or all the moral quandaries that God could address. Instead, in EW’s visions, Christ frowns on bad people.[/FONT]

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