SDA & Messianic study of the Feasts

[visionary]

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1 Cor. 5:52

This is a description of the first resurrection, which occurs upon Christ's return.

I agree.. and the last trumpet sounds at the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[GuardianShua]

This is where you and I differ

There are a few reasons why I see differently.

1.) God always does things at the last moment... just a character trait of His.
2.) Just as it was with the first coming.. 3 1/2 year ministry then the feasts are fulfilled.. so it will be again for the fall feasts

and last but not least

3.) The Day of Atonement itself tells

a.) The High Priest ministry in the Most Holy
Leviticus 16:30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD

b.) The cleansing of sins from the sanctuary
Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed

c.) The scapegoat
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

d.) Silence during the time when the High Priest is in the Most Holy
Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

That is just a few reasons the Lord can't come... He is busy.

Daniel 12:11. "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. In order to understand this you must solve for a unknown. Messiahs reign on earth proceeds his actual coming. Calculate 1,260, 1,290 and 1,335. What number do these numbers have in common? These numbers will not tell you the day or hour, but they will tell you the season. Also a clue: 2300-167=2133. Daniel 8:14. He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated."
15 While I, Daniel, was watching the vision and trying to understand it, there before me stood one who looked like a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice from the Ulai calling, "Gabriel, tell this man the meaning of the vision."
17 As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end."

 

[visionary]

Daniel 12:11. "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. In order to understand this you must solve for a unknown. Messiahs reign on earth proceeds his actual coming. Calculate 1,260, 1,290 and 1,335. What number do these numbers have in common? These numbers will not tell you the day or hour, but they will tell you the season. Also a clue: 2300-167=2133. Daniel 8:14. He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated."
15 While I, Daniel, was watching the vision and trying to understand it, there before me stood one who looked like a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice from the Ulai calling, "Gabriel, tell this man the meaning of the vision."
17 As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end."

why 2300-
"167"...

we all know 360x3.5 = 1260
30 days more = 1290
45 added to 1290 = 1335


what we do have

Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

2300

sanctuary cleansed /the fulfillment of the day of atonement

Daniel 8:14
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed


which somehow ties with

3 1/2 years = 1260 = time, times and an half= 42 months

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent

Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months

Revelation 11:3
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

1290

Itime for daily sacrifice to be taken away -- abomination set up---1290 daysI

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

1335

Daniel 12:12
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days

In other words...

2300 mornings and evenings ending at the day of atonement

if "mornings and evenings" represent one day.. 2300/2=1150 days =
3 years and 68 days -then the sanctuary shall be cleansed
1260 days =
3 years and 180 days - ministry of the beast and the two witnesses
1290 days =
3 years and 210 days - sanctuary taken away and desolation set up
1335 days =
3 years and 255 days - blessed is he who waiteth

consider this ...I believe the sanctuary can not be taken away until the sanctuary had fulfilled its purpose.
therefore... 2300 and 1290 end at the same time
I can see that 1260 and 1290 could easily start at the same time

but I can not get the events and the time sequence to work.

 

[GuardianShua]

why 2300-
"167"...

we all know 360x3.5 = 1260
30 days more = 1290
45 added to 1290 = 1335


what we do have

Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

2300

sanctuary cleansed /the fulfillment of the day of atonement

Daniel 8:14
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed


which somehow ties with

3 1/2 years = 1260 = time, times and an half= 42 months

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished

Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent

Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months

Revelation 11:3
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

1290

Itime for daily sacrifice to be taken away -- abomination set up---1290 daysI

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

1335

Daniel 12:12
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days

In other words...

2300 mornings and evenings ending at the day of atonement

if "mornings and evenings" represent one day.. 2300/2=1150 days =
3 years and 68 days -then the sanctuary shall be cleansed
1260 days =
3 years and 180 days - ministry of the beast and the two witnesses
1290 days =
3 years and 210 days - sanctuary taken away and desolation set up
1335 days =
3 years and 255 days - blessed is he who waiteth

consider this ...I believe the sanctuary can not be taken away until the sanctuary had fulfilled its purpose.
therefore... 2300 and 1290 end at the same time
I can see that 1260 and 1290 could easily start at the same time

but I can not get the events and the time sequence to work.

The trouble with prophecy is that some things can have more than one application. Here is another parable to solve. If a thousand years is like a day to the Lord, then how long would a symbolic hour be? And also, how long would a symbolic half hour be? The Hellenistic priest took over the temple in 167 BC. About. Ask yourself, what is the lowest common denominator for 1,260, 1,290, 1,335. And again ask yourself, what number is missing to make those numbers mean anything according to our time. You are solving for an unknown.

 

[visionary]

why not use 70 AD then to start the count?

 

[GuardianShua]

why not use 70 AD then to start the count?

That date is important, but the nation of Israel was not defeated until 133 AD. Note: 2000 + 133 = 2133 /// 2300 - 167 = 2133 or 2133 - 133 = 2000. 2133 is in the sixth day of the (Holy) Hebrew Calender. 2037 - 70 = 1967. Selah

 

[visionary]

But none of that has anything to do with the sanctuary..... it all begins with the decree to build the sanctuary.

 

[GuardianShua]

But none of that has anything to do with the sanctuary..... it all begins with the decree to build the sanctuary.

The wording is tricky because it jumps from one subject to another abruptly. Like I have said before, some prophecies have more than one meaning. Let me give some thought to if I want to pursue explaining anything more.

 

[RND]

But none of that has anything to do with the sanctuary..... it all begins with the decree to build the sanctuary.

Right on sister! Sound exegesis is .

 

[GuardianShua]

But none of that has anything to do with the sanctuary..... it all begins with the decree to build the sanctuary.

RND helped me make up my mind that I don't care to discuss prophecy anymore at this time. I will put together a time chart and discuss the 390 and 490 time prophecies later. Then I will address the Sanctuary issue. When I'm ready I will post it in The Messianic Way for Messianic and Orthodox to view.

 

[visionary]

I believe that the "decree" to rebuild the temple even if it butt up against the current temple on the mount. I believe that because most of the material .. money... articles... system study and priests and their psoitions have all been trained or are in training and every effort to have even the incense perfect blend is about ready.. the time will soon be upon us when they will start to build it. I also believe because they are that ready.. it won't take long at all to have it completed.. 3 years max.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I agree.. and the last trumpet sounds at the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles.

So if the Feast of Tabernacles represents the Millennium (and if you don't agree that it does, please say so) does that mean that Christ's return and the first resurrection occur after the Millennium?

 

[GuardianShua]

So if the Feast of Tabernacles represents the Millennium (and if you don't agree that it does, please say so) does that mean that Christ's return and the first resurrection occur after the Millennium?

Revelation 11:13. At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.

The Seventh Trumpet
15The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
"The kingdom-s of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,
and he will reign for ever and ever." 16And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying:
"We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
the One who is and who was,
because you have taken your great power
and have begun to reign.
18The nations were angry; and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your saints and those who reverence your name,
both small and great—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth." (And to destroy those who destroy the earth.)

The ressurrection preceeds Messiah's second coming by a parabolic half hour. The thousand year reign is both here on earth and in The Kingdom of God. The ressurrection begins with The Two Witnesses.

 

[visionary]

Simchat Torah "Rejoicing of the Torah" is a celebration marking the conclusion of the annual cycle of public Torah readings, and the beginning of a new cycle. Simchat Torah is a component of the Biblical Jewish holiday of Shemini Atzeret ("Eighth Day of Assembly"), which follows immediately after the festival of Sukkot in the month of Tishrei

So I was say the day after the eighth day is the beginning of the millinium

 

[GuardianShua]

Simchat Torah "Rejoicing of the Torah" is a celebration marking the conclusion of the annual cycle of public Torah readings, and the beginning of a new cycle. Simchat Torah is a component of the Biblical Jewish holiday of Shemini Atzeret ("Eighth Day of Assembly"), which follows immediately after the festival of Sukkot in the month of Tishrei

So I was say the day after the eighth day is the beginning of the millinium

The seventh day is the thousand year reign of Messiah, for which is the first resurrection of the elect. At the beginning of the eighth day comes the judgement of the sheep and goats. That is the second resurrection. Afterward Yahwah creates all things new upon the beginning of the eighth day.

 

[visionary]

Feast of Trumpets
-Two witnesses start witnessing
-the trumpets of revelation come to pass
-the beast come forth with the false
-no buy or sell unless you have the mark
-God's people are choosing to be marked by Him

Day of Atonement
-the lot is cast for which goat
-Rev 11:1 are in the moment
-the sealing of God's people
-silence for the space of half hour (just before the books are closed)
-the marriage of the lamb and his bride

Feast of Tabernacles
-believers flee from the wrath of man
-wicked flee from the wrath of God
-bowls of wrath/plagues without mercy fall
-believers die no more
-believers are under divine protection
-death penalty for those not in the utopia system is set

At midnight when death decree goes into effect
The eighth day
-ressurrection of the dead
-those who are alive and remain are gathered together to meet Him in the air
-Christ's glorious second coming.
-Millinium rest starts

 

[GuardianShua]

Feast of Trumpets
-Two witnesses start witnessing
-the trumpets of revelation come to pass
-the beast come forth with the false
-no buy or sell unless you have the mark
-God's people are choosing to be marked by Him

Day of Atonement
-the lot is cast for which goat
-Rev 11:1 are in the moment
-the sealing of God's people
-silence for the space of half hour (just before the books are closed)
-the marriage of the lamb and his bride

Feast of Tabernacles
-believers flee from the wrath of man
-wicked flee from the wrath of God
-bowls of wrath/plagues without mercy fall
-believers die no more
-believers are under divine protection
-death penalty for those not in the utopia system is set

At midnight when death decree goes into effect
The eighth day
-ressurrection of the dead
-those who are alive and remain are gathered together to meet Him in the air
-Christ's glorious second coming.
-Millinium rest starts

I can not be pulling rabbits out of the hat. I would have to do a study to affirm all of those things. I hope you don't mind, but I would like to pass on making any comment.