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[StormyOne]

StormyOne

Try this one that covers murder and all the rest of the ten commandments

"19. The Law of God:
The great principles of God's law are embodied in the Ten Commandments and exemplified in the life of Christ. They express God's love, will, and purposes concerning human conduct and relationships and are binding upon all people in every age. These precepts are the basis of God's covenant with His people and the standard in God's judgment. Through the agency of the Holy Spirit they point out sin and awaken a sense of need for a Saviour. Salvation is all of grace and not of works, but its fruitage is obedience to the Commandments. This obedience develops Christian character and results in a sense of well-being. It is an evidence of our love for the Lord and our concern for our fellow men. The obedience of faith demonstrates the power of Christ to transform lives, and therefore strengthens Christian witness. (Ex. 20:1-17; Ps. 40:7, 8; Matt. 22:36-40; Deut. 28:1-14; Matt. 5:17-20; Heb. 8:8-10; John 15:7-10; Eph. 2:8-10; 1 John 5:3; Rom. 8:3, 4; Ps. 19:7-14.)"

The rest of the "27" can be found here.

Cliff,
I know where the 27 fundies are... I have them bookmarked... some of us like to promote adherence to the law, and ignore the being concerned for our fellow man... it is all of the above... and like I said..... obedience does not mean there is a relationship... but if there is a relationship there will be obedience.....

 

[Windmill]

yes some do, but why are you pointing this out?

 

[Cliff2]

Is it a heaven or hell issue? We all grow... they may not believe it, but may at some point... what about women's ordination, some adventists are for it, some are against it... women wearing pants, jewelry, diet.... in my opinion fall in that category...

Those things that are not salvific I don't stress over... and there are many things that are not salvific....

Some of what you mentioned could well be issue of salvation.

Look at what the New Testamant says about the wearing of jewelry, I would not wanting to be wearing it when Jesus comes.

As for diet we are told that our bodies are the temple of God so again I would not be wanting to trangress God laws of health when Jesus comes back.

Then take women's ordination, I would not want to be supporting it when not one example can be found in the Bible that shows that the priesthood ordained women priests in the Old or the New Testament.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Not all of the basic teachings are being debated... However my definition of a Seventh Day Adventist is simple....

A Seventh Day Adventist is one who observes the seventh day sabbath and is looking for the 2nd Advent of Christ.... in between those two characteristics is alot of room for diverse beliefs and I don't have any problem with them... especially if they are supported by the bible and the bible only.... but that's me....

Well--if that's your stance--the 7th Day Baptists and the 7th Day Pentecosts share your sentiments--I'm sure you'll find one of them on a street near you. I think you would be happier with one of them, since you hate us so much. Please. join ranks with them and leave us alone. Thank you.

 

[HoneyDew]

Well--if that's your stance--the 7th Day Baptists and the 7th Day Pentecosts share your sentiments--I'm sure you'll find one of them on a street near you. I think you would be happier with one of them, since you hate us so much. Please. join ranks with them and leave us alone. Thank you.

Stop going around disfellowshipping your brother man. You are much too quick to show people the door. He has as much right here as you and I do.

 

[jonno]

Well--if that's your stance--the 7th Day Baptists and the 7th Day Pentecosts share your sentiments--I'm sure you'll find one of them on a street near you. I think you would be happier with one of them, since you hate us so much. Please. join ranks with them and leave us alone. Thank you.

I pray that the attitude you display here is not reflective of that of Adventists.In fact, Im sure its not that of the majority of Adventists.
I was here a short time, thinking I could find answers to a few problems I'm having but participants in this Sda forum has displayed an incredible amount of intolerance and downright unchristianlike behaviour in some instances. You seem to forget that non-adventists also have access to this forum.
What an advert for Adventism!
I will not be posting here anymore and am relieved as I realise that bad trees cannot bear Good fruit.
may God bless and strengthen you.
May the Holy Spirit lead you in any reply

 

[honorthesabbath]

I pray that the attitude you display here is not reflective of that of Adventists.In fact, Im sure its not that of the majority of Adventists.
I was here a short time, thinking I could find answers to a few problems I'm having but participants in this Sda forum has displayed an incredible amount of intolerance and downright unchristianlike behaviour in some instances. You seem to forget that non-adventists also have access to this forum.
What an advert for Adventism!
I will not be posting here anymore and am relieved as I realise that bad trees cannot bear Good fruit.
may God bless and strengthen you.
May the Holy Spirit lead you in any reply

I really am confused as to your response to my post to Stormy. I am very sincere when I say that since he is unhappy with the doctrine of the SDA church that he should leave it. Why do you think that is so "unChristian" of me? I just think it's good advise. Stormy says he's a psychologist. I'm sure that his advise to someone who has a job that is causing them so much stress would to be get out of it--right? That's all I;m saying to him. He hates the SDA church and my advise is to get out of it. I'm very sure he would much happier with the 7th day baptists or pentecosts who believe as he does.

It's simple, when you join a group of whatever, you do so because you BELIEVE in what they are doing and teaching. You stand beside them because you AGREE with them. Now, if you cannot do that, you don't join them!!! PERIOD!! Doesn't that just make sense to you??? Man--it does me! You see--after reviewing the beliefs of the RCC--I did not join myself to them because I didn't agree with their teachings. Therefore, I feel no need or desire to go into their forums and bash their beliefs. Now if they want to come into the SDA forum and ask a question about ours, I have no problem with that, and in fact welcome that opportunity to share the truth with them. But what AUDACITY on my part to go to THEIR place of fellowship and rake on their beliefs?? No Jonno--I think you need to step back and see the big picture here and reevaluate your sentiments.

Blessings, Honor

 

[honorthesabbath]

Stop going around disfellowshipping your brother man. You are much too quick to show people the door. He has as much right here as you and I do.

You have that backwards--he has disfellowshipped himself from us. We're just saying farewell.

 

[HoneyDew]

You have that backwards--he has disfellowshipped himself from us. We're just saying farewell.

That, my dear, is not up to you. God the Father would never tell anyone farewell but waits with open arms just like the Prodigal Father in the parable. It is the person who wants to leave who will leave. That is not your place, but in your ire you cannot see that.

He is an Adventist, so are you, so am I. None of us have been disfellowshipped from our individual member churches. None of us will agree on some things. It does not make us less a member. The church is not the focus: Christ is. We need to remember that.

 

[jonno]

I really am confused as to your response to my post to Stormy. I am very sincere when I say that since he is unhappy with the doctrine of the SDA church that he should leave it. Why do you think that is so "unChristian" of me? I just think it's good advise. Stormy says he's a psychologist. I'm sure that his advise to someone who has a job that is causing them so much stress would to be get out of it--right? That's all I;m saying to him. He hates the SDA church and my advise is to get out of it. I'm very sure he would much happier with the 7th day baptists or pentecosts who believe as he does.

It's simple, when you join a group of whatever, you do so because you BELIEVE in what they are doing and teaching. You stand beside them because you AGREE with them. Now, if you cannot do that, you don't join them!!! PERIOD!! Doesn't that just make sense to you??? Man--it does me! You see--after reviewing the beliefs of the RCC--I did not join myself to them because I didn't agree with their teachings. Therefore, I feel no need or desire to go into their forums and bash their beliefs. Now if they want to come into the SDA forum and ask a question about ours, I have no problem with that, and in fact welcome that opportunity to share the truth with them. But what AUDACITY on my part to go to THEIR place of fellowship and rake on their beliefs?? No Jonno--I think you need to step back and see the big picture here and reevaluate your sentiments.

Blessings, Honor

I understand much of what you say, although I may not agree with everything and Im sure you'll allow me that.
I do not believe that the stance you take is representative of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ( no matter how many reasons (and some justifiable in your and others sight) you may have.
Ask yourself one question. Would Jesus act the same way or would He manifest more of the fruits of the Spirit.
Another question I'd like to ask. Evidently their are so many different points of view and questions surrounding the traditional SDA beliefs within the SDA denomination: If everyone should seperate themselves on this basis how many would be left and who?
bless you Honor

 

[honorthesabbath]

I understand much of what you say, although I may not agree with everything and Im sure you'll allow me that.
I do not believe that the stance you take is representative of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ( no matter how many reasons (and some justifiable in your and others sight) you may have.
Ask yourself one question. Would Jesus act the same way or would He manifest more of the fruits of the Spirit.
Another question I'd like to ask. Evidently their are so many different points of view and questions surrounding the traditional SDA beliefs within the SDA denomination: If everyone should seperate themselves on this basis how many would be left and who?
bless you Honor

I think Jesus would rather have ONE true follower than 10,000,000 nominal's. If those who disagree with the tenents of an organization that was formed before thier births don't like those tenents--then as I said--leave it. But for heavens sake--don't come to those that do agree with them and continually harrass and bash them to death. Is THAT what you think a Christian should do?? Any Christian of any denomination?? I sure don't.

To answer your question about those who reject the traditional SDA beliefs leaving and how many would be left?? Well--I think we have it on good authority that that is exactly what God is doing now. He is purging His floor. He is shaking the branches for the weak fruit. That weak fruit will surely fall from the tree as we have seem already. The testing truths are doing their sure work. The weak and vascilating vessels ARE falling away--but they refuse to go quietly. Misery loves company. We have the story of satan's rebellion against God--he couldn't leave heaven alone or quietly, oh no--he HAD to spreaad his hatred of God and His doctrine and caused ONE THIRD of the angels to seperate with him. My, how history repeats itself. So yes Jonno--God is seperating the dissenters out. All their ranting will not change one ioda of the truths of this church. We knew this would happen--we were forewarned.

Blessings to you sis

 

[StormyOne]

Well--if that's your stance--the 7th Day Baptists and the 7th Day Pentecosts share your sentiments--I'm sure you'll find one of them on a street near you. I think you would be happier with one of them, since you hate us so much. Please. join ranks with them and leave us alone. Thank you.

There is no hate and that's the point you seem not to be able to comprehend... This church has good and bad... I see it all, and have made my peace with it... In spite of your hatefulness towards me Honor and let's face it you don't know me and I don't know you, you are still my sister in Christ and I have treated you as such... while you continue to attempt to kick me to the curb, I respectfully decline....

I indicated that I have a degree in psychology, I did not say I was a psychologist.... there is a difference...

 

[StormyOne]

You have that backwards--he has disfellowshipped himself from us. We're just saying farewell.

Ummmm NO I did not.... I am not going anywhere and you cannot run me off...

 

[StormyOne]

I really am confused as to your response to my post to Stormy. I am very sincere when I say that since he is unhappy with the doctrine of the SDA church that he should leave it. Why do you think that is so "unChristian" of me? I just think it's good advise. Stormy says he's a psychologist. I'm sure that his advise to someone who has a job that is causing them so much stress would to be get out of it--right? That's all I;m saying to him. He hates the SDA church and my advise is to get out of it. I'm very sure he would much happier with the 7th day baptists or pentecosts who believe as he does.

It's simple, when you join a group of whatever, you do so because you BELIEVE in what they are doing and teaching. You stand beside them because you AGREE with them. Now, if you cannot do that, you don't join them!!! PERIOD!! Doesn't that just make sense to you??? Man--it does me! You see--after reviewing the beliefs of the RCC--I did not join myself to them because I didn't agree with their teachings. Therefore, I feel no need or desire to go into their forums and bash their beliefs. Now if they want to come into the SDA forum and ask a question about ours, I have no problem with that, and in fact welcome that opportunity to share the truth with them. But what AUDACITY on my part to go to THEIR place of fellowship and rake on their beliefs?? No Jonno--I think you need to step back and see the big picture here and reevaluate your sentiments.

Blessings, Honor

That's just it, the only person you can control is you. You cannot tell people how they should be an "adventist." Or even be an "adventist" like me or the rest of us.

Since I have joined, all I have done is ask questions to which there have been very few responses or the response has been to attack me as a person. That's just from asking questions. I have not suggested that you think like I think, nor have I suggested that you abandon your beliefs. I have asked that you review them, look at them again, and you would have thought I had said start worshipping Satan....

In spite of my stating that I do not "hate" the church or anyone in the church some continue to suggest that I do. Clearly minds have been made up and in so doing maybe it becomes easier to lash out at me, if that's the case, do what you must....

I will continue to share information about various issues, and beliefs as well as my understanding about them... You may not like the fact that I am not going anywhere, that I am not afraid to speak my mind about those things I have studied, that my adventism looks significantly different than yours, but that's how it is....

I can accept it even if you can't... In the end it will be God who will have the final word, and I am grateful than those of you who are harboring ill-will towards are not He....

 

[woobadooba]

I am having my doubts that this is a genuine SDA Forum.

A person cannot deny the basic truths of the SDA Church and still claim to belong to it.

There are too many people on here that claim to be SDA's and do not even support the basic teaching of the SDA Church.

I am pleading with those who are not genuine SDA's to come out and say so.

That will help break down the barriers between those who claim to be SDA and those that reply with the correct view of what SDA's believe.

So are you suggesting that because we may not agree with your interpretation of a doctrine that we aren't genuine SDAs?

How do you know that your interpretation is accurate, or complete?

Are SDAs not allowed to think? Must we all be subject to your standard of thought?

They also called Jesus a devil, and an unbeliever because he had something more to show them about what they thought was true.

Could it be that we have the same situation here?

 

[woobadooba]

You have that backwards--he has disfellowshipped himself from us. We're just saying farewell.

Did you not see the post of Jonno?

When will you learn!

Do you realize what you are doing!

You are doing more harm to our church than you are good by being so agressive!

 

[honorthesabbath]

So are you suggesting that because we may not agree with your interpretation of a doctrine that we aren't genuine SDAs?

How do you know that your interpretation is accurate, or complete?

Are SDAs not allowed to think? Must we all be subject to your standard of thought?

They also called Jesus a devil, and an unbeliever because he had something more to show them about what they thought was true.

Could it be that we have the same situation here?

Ok--one last time. And take note that I am not shouting. In order for someone to be baptised into the SDA church, they agreed, in front of the pastor(s) , elders and members of that church that they AGREED with and pledge to UPHOLD to teaching of the SDA church which are represented in the 28 fundemental beliefs which are printed in your baptismal certificate. In addition to that, on the back cover of that certificate is a section entitled, "MY COMMITMENT". There is listed another 13 items comprising YOUR committment to not only your new Christian walk, but also to the tenents of the Remnant church. Take note of number 11.."I know and understand the FUNDEMENTAL Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles.

It seems to me that some have either strayed considerably from their baptismal vowels or they were dishonest to them to begin with. But that's just me--Honor

 

[woobadooba]

Ok--one last time. And take note that I am not shouting. In order for someone to be baptised into the SDA church, they agreed, in front of the pastor(s) , elders and members of that church that they AGREED with and pledge to UPHOLD to teaching of the SDA church which are represented in the 28 fundemental beliefs which are printed in your baptismal certificate. In addition to that, on the back cover of that certificate is a section entitled, "MY COMMITMENT". There is listed another 13 items comprising YOUR committment to not only your new Christian walk, but also to the tenents of the Remnant church. Take note of number 11.."I know and understand the FUNDEMENTAL Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles.

It seems to me that some have either strayed considerably from their baptismal vowels or they were dishonest to them to begin with. But that's just me--Honor

As long as you keep your focus on what has been established by man you will never see Jesus!

You missed my point! Jonno was here because he was searching for truth. What did he find? An attitude of intolerance for those who don't think like you.

He left because of that. He may never come back again. And it could be possible that he may never care to learn about what it means to be an SDA again!

When will you learn?

Did you see Stormy's post on truth and love?

Read my comments on that post, especially my most recent one.

By the way, did they have those certificates during Paul's time? Did the Ethiopian have to sign a certificate before he was baptised, and did he have to learn every doctrine before he could be baptised?

I will tell you the same thing that I told Cliff, don't just see the law, but look for the principle behind it!

 

[StormyOne]

Ok--one last time. And take note that I am not shouting. In order for someone to be baptised into the SDA church, they agreed, in front of the pastor(s) , elders and members of that church that they AGREED with and pledge to UPHOLD to teaching of the SDA church which are represented in the 28 fundemental beliefs which are printed in your baptismal certificate. In addition to that, on the back cover of that certificate is a section entitled, "MY COMMITMENT". There is listed another 13 items comprising YOUR committment to not only your new Christian walk, but also to the tenents of the Remnant church. Take note of number 11.."I know and understand the FUNDEMENTAL Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles.

It seems to me that some have either strayed considerably from their baptismal vowels or they were dishonest to them to begin with. But that's just me--Honor

Honor do you think a 9 yr old or 10 yr old child understands at that age all that is involved in joining this church? No... for those of us who have grown up in this church it is usually when we reach teens, early adulthood before we weigh everything that we have been immersed in since birth. So while you are correct in your statements with regards to adults, children don't have a clue until they grow older.

Thus we have a different perspective (good or bad) than a person who joins the church as an adult. Like I said in another thread, we will have more questions, and we have seen more of the underbelly of the church because of our experience....

Truth can withstand questions. God is big enough to handle the questions that some may have.... so while I hear what you are saying, the reality is that not everyone who joins does so in the manner in which you describe....

 

[HoneyDew]

Honor do you think a 9 yr old or 10 yr old child understands at that age all that is involved in joining this church? No... for those of us who have grown up in this church it is usually when we reach teens, early adulthood before we weigh everything that we have been immersed in since birth. So while you are correct in your statements with regards to adults, children don't have a clue until they grow older.

Thus we have a different perspective (good or bad) than a person who joins the church as an adult. Like I said in another thread, we will have more questions, and we have seen more of the underbelly of the church because of our experience....

Truth can withstand questions. God is big enough to handle the questions that some may have.... so while I hear what you are saying, the reality is that not everyone who joins does so in the manner in which you describe....

AMEN!
I was baptized at age 9 because they thought I was ready. They could not answer my questions though, and told me to just say "I agree" when the pastor asked the questions of the baptismal candidates just prior to the ceremony.