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Scriptures teaching on hell.

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Gehenna, Hell, Tartaros, Sheol:

The existence of hell is irrefutably taught in the Bible as a place for the wicked who have died in an unredeemed condition. The O.T. constantly alludes to the "cutting off" of evil from God. Except for James 3:6, the word is always used by Jesus and refers to the place of retributive suffering.

There are four distinct words in the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures, that are translated for the word Hell. They are as follows:

Sheol; pointedly refers to a shadowy existence beyond the grave, giving the reader the understanding of a future and continued existence.

Both Sheol, and Hades, signify the world of the departed. Neither distinguishes between the saved or the unsaved.
Neither point to the place of eternal punishment in it's strictest sense. What they do point to are the regions of the dead in general. This including both Paradise, and/or Gehenna; Gehenna being the world of the damned.

Tartaros: Gehenna: These are more specific in their character, and strictly signify in the language of theology, the place of God's punishment after death.

"Gehenna" or "hell." To be in hell reflect three conditions, The absence of righteousness, the separation from God, and judgment.

New Testament writers make use of the Greek word Gehenna, which is compounded of two Hebrew words, Ge- Hinnom, that is "The Valley of Hinnom." This was the literal valley of Hinnom, that was outside the walls of Jerusalem. Here young babies lost their lives in sacrifices by fire to the god Moloch, the god of the Ammonites.

The word gehenna is used in the N.T. 12 times; always in addressing Jews, to whom the analogical sense was easily understood.

Matt.5:22, Jesus said, "Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." The word fool is sometimes rendered wicked, or having contempt for God.

Matt.10:28, Jesus said, "Fear not them = (men) which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him = (God) which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Matt. 23:15, Jesus said, "Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte = (new convert,) and when he is made, ye make him twofold = (twice) more the child of hell than yourselves."

Manasseh at the age of 12, was the fifteenth king of Judea to rule in Jerusalem. It is said of him, that he did evil in the eyes of the LORD, worshipping the idols of the Canaanites.

2 Chro.33:6, "And he = (Manasseh) caused his children = (Jewish children) to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hin'-nom:"

This place was also called To'-phet. (the word toph meaning a drum) This is clarified in 2 K.23:10, "To'-pheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hin'-nom,"

The name To'-phet alludes to the noise of drums, drums that would drown out the cries of the helpless children who were placed onto the red hot arms of an image of Moloch.

In this corrupt period of Jewish history, an idol, or statue of Moloch was erected in the valley south of Jerusalem. Ancient Rabbi's inform us that the image of Moloch was made of brass. The image was half man and half beast: the head of a calf, and the body of a man. He was displayed as one sitting on a throne. On its head sat a royal crown.

The image had It's arms extended out as if to embrace some-one, or something. Its victims were the very young that would be offered in sacrifice. With fire, the brass image was heated from within. When the brass became red hot, priests would place the child on it's arms where they would be consumed by the violence of the heat. In the background the drums would beat loudly, so that the cries of the young victims would be drowned out.

As time passed, this place came to be considered by the Jew's as an emblem, or a symbol of Hell. Like Hennon with all its sorrows and pain, hell is that place of torment, a place that God has reserved for the punishment of the wicked.

As for the nature or type of punishment expected in this place called hell, we can gain some idea from the expressions and descriptions revealed in Scriptures.

1. Matt.8:12, Jesus calls it a place of, "outer darkness," where there shall be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." The idea of both loss and pain still exists for those who are in hell. Gnashing of teeth means, pain, envy and rage. If we say there is no hell, then how do we account for the weeping, pain, and rage? So we can gather from this verse, that when a person is sent to hell, both their physical and spiritual body will feel the agony of God's punishment.

2. Matt.13:42-50, Jesus is speaking, "And (God's angels) shall cast them = (sinners) into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

3. Mark 9:44-48, Sinners are spoken of figuratively as worms. Jesus said, "Where their worm = (sinners) dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." This verse supports the teaching that sinners shall never die, and the fire of hell is not quenched.

4. Luke 16:28, Hell is called, "This place of torment." Only if one remains alive, can they be tormented.

5. Rom.2:5, "The day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God."

6. 1 Pet.3:19, speaks of spirits, "In prison." The Greek idea of prison is a placed to be watched and guarded.

7. Jude 13, Speaks of those, "To whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever." The word forever means, eternal, everlasting.

8. Jude 23. For sinners, there reward will be, "Fire."

9. Rev.20:3-7, Hell is called both a, "Bottomless pit, and a "prison."

10. Rev.21:8, "The fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

It has long been debated whether the fire in Hell is symbolic or real. If the facts of Hell with its fire and brimstone are true, then Scripture should support it. If not, it will support the flip side of that teaching. So is fire and brimstone Biblical?

Rev.14:10-11, For those who worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark, Scripture states, "The same = (false worshippers) shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God = (suffer God's punishments,) which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His = (God's) indignation = (anger) and he = (the wicked) shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb = (Jesus Christ) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they = (the sinner) have no rest day nor night = (forever, eternal,) who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

Rev.20:10, "And the devil that deceived them = (all those who denied and disobeyed God) was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever = (everlasting.)"

Rev.20:12-13, These are, in total, "The dead, small and great," shall stand "before God." And from the book of life = (their life) shall they be judged, according to their works = (the way they lived.)" All those who have their resting place on either land or sea, shall be raised from the dead. They will be made to stand before their Maker and Judge on this day of judgement.

Rev.20:14-15, After the book of life has been opened and read, judgement is now passed by the Judge of all mankind, Jesus Christ. He said, "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire." Death and hell are represented as personified representatives of the enemies of Christ and His Church. These are to be cast into the lake of fire.

This expresses the truth of what Jesus said about His children, they shall not suffer the second death. The lake of fire is that place of the eternal second death. Our first death is a natural death that all men must suffer.

"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." This is that judgement of the whole man, his body, soul and spirit, these are those who have sinned against the Almighty.

Today there are those who deny the idea of hell with its eternal fire and brimstone. Scripture is very clear in its teaching and as to it's reality. According to several Biblical passages, there also appears to be various degrees of punishment in Hell. Examples follow.

Luke 12:47, Jesus said, "And that servant = (the sinner,) which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself = (received not the sacrifice of Jesus,) neither did according to his will = (repented and was baptized,) shall be beaten with many stripes = (suffer the pains of hell.)"

Rom.2:12, "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;"

Those who transgress against the natural laws of nature itself, are compared to those who have transgressed against Christ Himself. The first shall not come under the same rule of judgement as the second. The second shall be judged under a higher standard, this for rejecting the works of Jesus finished work of salvation, and for not having received the teaching of His Holy Spirit.

Matt.12:25-32, Jesus said, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand ... whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." So my question for those who say there is no hell, "If NOT the world of the damned, then what world would that be?"

Heb.10:28-29, "He that despised = (rejected) Moses law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: of how much sorer = (worse) punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden = (trampled) under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing = (common thing,) and hath done despite = (insults) unto the Spirit of Grace = (Holy Spirit?)" God will regard the measure of men's evil works.

It is the curse of evil eternally that propagates evil: Therefore for those who defile, or rail against Christ with their mouths, with their deeds, and blaspheme Him from their hearts, there is subjectively no renewal for that person. Therefore no further sacrifice for sins can be made. These shall suffer the second death.

Is hell eternal? Why? Because of the disproportion between temporary crimes here on earth, and the eternal punishments of hell. They claim that the word, "everlasting," is not to be taken in its utmost sense. It can only mean a long time having a limited time placed on it. Let's see what the Bible has to say about this. Do they proven these claims? or reject them?

First, the word everlasting. It is the Hebrew, "owlam," or, "olam." The Greek is, "alonios." It means perpetual, eternal. It is spoken chiefly of time future, and sometimes of time past, forever.

The answer lies in the observation that the word eternal is used, sometimes in the very same place to express,

The "eternal happiness of the righteous," as opposed to,

The "eternal misery of the wicked."

So I ask the question, Is there any reason to believe that the words express two different ideas, as standing in the same connection?" If happiness is eternal, why then would misery not be eternal?

It is not true that temporary crimes do not deserve eternal punishment?

Why? Because the length of punishment is never measured by the time it takes to commit the crime. It only takes a moment to kill a person in cold blood. When that person is caught, convicted, and judged guilty, that person must forfeit their life. If the convicted person refuses to repent of that sin, then the justice of an offended God will and must vindicate His injured majesty, this glorifying His eternal justice. It is God's justice, not ours that has been offended.

The prophet Job also believed in a future resurrection of the dead. His book is thought to be the oldest book of the Bible. Many scholars believe that Job lived soon after Noah's flood. We read the following in,

Job 14:14-15, "If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come (given an incorruptible body.) Thou = (God) shalt call, and I will answer thee (be raised from death" Job speaks of the future coming of Messiah, and the resurrection of the dead.

Job 19:25-29, "I know that my redeemer = (Jesus) liveth, = (the resurrected Saviour,) and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh = (resurrected new body) shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. Ver.29: Be ye afraid of the sword: for wrath bringeth the punishments of the sword, that ye may know there is a judgment."

Question; How did Job come by this doctrine of a resurrection, and of a future judgement? My reply would be;

Jude 14-15, "Enoch also the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold the LORD cometh with ten thousand of His saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince = (convict) all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed."

Enoch was a prophet of God, before the flood, therefore before Job. He understood the raising of the dead.

He goes on to say that there remains transgressions and errors. Moral error and dangerous tendencies in confining rewards for the just, and punishments to the wicked, in the present life only.

The rich and the poor, the strong and the weak, king's and beggars alike will all be brought down by the first death. Paradise or hell? We have a merciful God. Where we finish up will be determined by our choices here, the choices made while we are still alive. If unsuccessful here, no blame will be allowed, no excuses, no pity, no appeals allowed. Judgement will be just, swift, and final. Will you be found Innocent? or will you be found guilt?

To conclude; those who enter into hell will never again enter into the presence of God. Therefore this idea of judgment, this note of finality to all mankind is a warning against sin and mans sinful nature.

Phillip LaSpino www.seekfirstwisdom.com
 

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Since ad nauseam 'cut and paste' posts aren't interesting to read...let alone respond to, I'd like to just address your first and last paragraph with the understanding that everything in between is equally subject to the very same 'opposite opinion' that you obviously hold.

Gehenna, Hell, Tartaros, Sheol:

The existence of hell is irrefutably taught in the Bible as a place for the wicked who have died in an unredeemed condition. The O.T. constantly alludes to the "cutting off" of evil from God. Except for James 3:6, the word is always used by Jesus and refers to the place of retributive suffering.


Defintion: Retributive justice is a theory of justice that considers that punishment,if proprotionate, is a morally acceptable response to crime...

There is nothing retributive/proportionate 'by definition' about throwing sinful people into an eternal torture chamber while at the same time sending 'sinful' people into heavenly bliss.

The rich and the poor, the strong and the weak, king's and beggars alike will all be brought down by the first death. Paradise or hell? We have a merciful God. Where we finish up will be determined by our choices here, the choices made while we are still alive. If unsuccessful here, no blame will be allowed, no excuses, no pity, no appeals allowed. Judgement will be just, swift, and final. Will you be found Innocent? or will you be found guilt?
You do not understand the definition of mercy. It isn't dependent upon "our choices made while we are still alive". Mercy by definition is given in spite of our poor choices. When you plead for the mercy of the court, it isn't because you didn't commit the crime.
 
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You do not understand the definition of mercy. It isn't dependent upon "our choices made while we are still alive". Mercy by definition is given in spite of our poor choices. When you plead for the mercy of the court, it isn't because you didn't commit the crime.

There is zero teaching in scripture that mercy for our sins extends beyond the physical life. The mercy spoken in scripture IS given in spite of our poor choices but is only effective for those who have faith.
 
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There is zero teaching in scripture that mercy for our sins extends beyond the physical life. The mercy spoken in scripture IS given in spite of our poor choices but is only effective for those who have faith.
Show me where the bible says mercy is only given during our physical life?
 
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Show me where the bible says mercy is only given during our physical life?

There are many. Lets start with what faith is. According to the author of Hebrews faith is "1 Now faith is the [a]assurance of things [b]hoped for, the [c]conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the men of old [d]gained approval." (Heb. 11:1-2). Faith is required for salvation (many verses). Once a person physically die they can not have faith since faith relates to things not seen and at that point they would have "seen".

BTW- Show me where in the bible mercy for our sins is given after physical life.
 
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There are many. Lets start with what faith is. According to the author of Hebrews faith is "1 Now faith is the [a]assurance of things [b]hoped for, the [c]conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the men of old [d]gained approval." (Heb. 11:1-2). Faith is required for salvation (many verses). Once a person physically die they can not have faith since faith relates to things not seen and at that point they would have "seen".

BTW- Show me where in the bible mercy for our sins is given after physical life.

Faith is not mercy.

Did doubting Thomas' 'faith' save him, or did he have to SEE to believe? When every knee bows and confesses they will both see and believe....and that is after death.

As to mercy in the future you tell me how "all of Israel SHALL be saved"? How shall they both 'bow and confess Jesus as Lord', when they failed to believe in this age? Personally, I think it is by the mercy that endureth FOREVER. But you are free to limit God in any way you wish, I just think differently.
 
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I have a Christian friend who believes that only those who believe in Jesus the "right" way will be saved. He readily acknowledges that this means nearly everyone who has ever lived will burn in hell forever. God sounds like he lacks love from this perspective.
 
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I have a Christian friend who believes that only those who believe in Jesus the "right" way will be saved. He readily acknowledges that this means nearly everyone who has ever lived will burn in hell forever. God sounds like he lacks love from this perspective.
Not only would God lack love, but according to most He lacks the ability to come up with a true plan of salvation. What most believe in today isn't a 'plan of salvation'...it's obviously a 'plan of eternal torture' since that's where most of His beloved creation is going to end up. Personally, I think God's plan of salvation is truly that...a plan to save. And since He is God He made a better plan than most were ever taught to believe for.
 
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This lake of fire. This eternal punishment. It is eternal flesh and eternal fire.

Far be it for man to share in the same resurrection as Christ. That is only for those who are His at His coming (2 Tim. 4:8, 1 Cor. 15:23) and for those who were His and have already died before then.

Far be it for this punishment to be refinement. At least two parties must perish (Rev. 20:8, Rev. 19:21, 2 Thess. 1:7-9). One in rebellion, one in hidden rebellion (for this reason Satan is released (Rev. 20:7)).

Nevertheless, it is all the same (2 Thess. 2:8). For whether slain or whether seized and thrown in alive, these will eventually coexist together in eternal torment.
 
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I believe my views are supported Biblically (both contextually and Spiritually). I believe that we do have an eternal consequence for not knowing Jesus at the final judgement. That consequence is being separated from God for all eternity. That means our sould are cast into the lake of eternal fire and destroyed, never to be remade. I do not believe it is within my understanding of God's character that we suffer in Hell for ever. I do believe in Jesus' words that we will be destroyed in Hell. I think the perceived immortality/immutability of a soul is a corrupt Platonic teaching and not Biblically sound.
 
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"Far be it"? What kinda language is that? That sounds like an oath, you know the ones that people from scripture always said before they did something stupid (ex: Saul promising to kill Jonathan).

Anyway just found that funny.
Abraham uses it in Genesis 18:25.

Well it is somewhat archaic. I was just getting into the mood when I said that. :cool:

Now these passage have a contextual place in the book of Revelation. Who are the two things that end up getting destroyed here? The nations and the kings of the earth.

Now if you do some study, you will realize that the nations (in the book of Rev.) always refers to the world, never to Christians.
I have studied. Jeremiah 18:7-10

So you will be shocked to find this in Revelation 21,

I did not see a temple in the city[New Jerusalem], because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it (v. 22-26)..
I'm aware of that, as well as Revelation 22:2

in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Why would they need to be healed by the tree of life? Because of the plague (Zechariah 14:12, consider Numbers 21:9).

Speaking of which,

Zechariah 14:16 Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

So the nations and the kings in Revelation 21:22-26 are remnants.

Indeed, when God says he is making all things new, he means everyone, not just the elect.

P.S.

As for 2 Thessalonians 1:9, I can take two positions. One 'eternal' does not mean eternal and instead means "pertaining to the ages" (a standard universalistic approach). Or I can argue from Greg Boyd's perspective that eternal destruction does not refer to the duration of the destruction, but to a destruction of eternal consequence. This view makes sense when Dr. F.W. Farrar says,

Even if aion always meant 'eternity,' which is not the case in classic or Hellenistic Greek-aionios could still mean only 'belonging to eternity' and not 'lasting through it.'
Then what is the meaning of 1 Cor. 15:22-23? All will be made alive yet the first fruits = those who have already died before His coming and those in His coming who are His = those who loved His appearing (2 Tim. 4:8).

What about those who did not want Him to rule over them (Rev. 20:8)? Slay them in My presence says Jesus (Luke 19:27).

It does not matter what 'eternal' means because to be slayed by the word of God (Isaiah 11:4) means to never have life. Also note that the earth will be likewise struck and it passes away (Rev. 21:1).
 
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After the Kings and Nations are destroyed (seemingly permanently) , all the dead appear before the judgment seat. I looked up Isaiah 11:4 and I could not find the place where it says that people struck by the word of God never have life. Also your quote from Luke 19:27 could simply referring to Revelation 19:21

The rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse

However I look at 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 as going further than Revelation 21 & 22. If the last enemy to abolished is death, then how can there remain any form or death? I think Revelation gives us an incomplete picture, one that Paul completed. I believe the 'kings of the earth' mentioned in Revelation 21 are the same kings destroyed in Revelation 19, they live again because of the second resurrection.

My main point was that there is an exit from the Lake of Fire(LOF), that the doors to the New Jerusalem are always open to those in the LOF. The kings of the earth and nations being able to enter means that the LOF is temporary. Eventually everyone will wash their robes and enter the city by the gates, then God's words will fulfilled

"Death is swallowed up in victory!"
So the antichrist will be resurrected (2 Thess. 2:8)?

Here it says bring to an end. It is not merely end of reign, but end of life.
 
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There's a recent thread (about 4 topics up from this one when I saw it) where one person stated the Hell isn't for humans. It's for demons. No one seems to dispute it althought the topic later morphed into a semetic/anti-semetic debate on the presentation of the Messiah.

I don't have an opinion either way. Just adding to the conversation. :)
 
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The antichrist doesn't need to be resurrected, he's already in the Lake of fire.

And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. (Revelation 19:20)

The end of all evil is in the Lake of Fire. I look at it as a purifying, while painful, good thing. Eventually all will be saved.
1. How was the antichrist created? Hint: Gen. 2:7
2. How does the antichrist live? Hint: Job 33:4
3. So the antichrist shares in the same resurrection as Jesus underwent?
 
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I have a Christian friend who believes that only those who believe in Jesus the "right" way will be saved. He readily acknowledges that this means nearly everyone who has ever lived will burn in hell forever. God sounds like he lacks love from this perspective.

We all error. If salvation was achieved by everyone getting everything ' right ' . Why the need for Jesus ? We are all fallible.

People are saved by the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Everyone will come to know the Lord God, and will have perfect knowledge eventually. This is God's promise to all of humanity..

" All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him," Psalm 22.27
 
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Gehenna, Hell, Tartaros, Sheol:

The existence of hell is irrefutably taught in the Bible as a place for the wicked who have died in an unredeemed condition. The O.T. constantly alludes to the "cutting off" of evil from God. Except for James 3:6, the word is always used by Jesus and refers to the place of retributive suffering.


Phillip LaSpino www.seekfirstwisdom.com

What a pitiful and SPIRITUALLY IGNORANT post... seeking to send others to your dispicable site, which hardly represents WISDOM.

JESUS told His FOLLOWERS to PREACH the GOSPEL (Good News)... yet YOUR obsession above (as well as your website) is dedicated to the DISTORTION of that command -- Mark 16:15 -- Matt 28:19-20

WHERE is the COMMAND to preach "HELL" LaSpino? Hint: there IS NONE.

Your lengthy, impersonal and approach to the BAD NEWS which you deliver in TOTAL IGNORANCE of and INSTEAD of, ...the GOSPEL of PEACE -- Eph 6:15 -- Rom 10:15 -- speaks for itself...

Miserably ...FAILING to bring the message of GRACE unto the WORLD that GOD so UNCHANGINGLY LOVES, ...which is the CENTRAL teaching in the NEW TESTAMENT...

Supporting SIN to be MUCH MORE than GRACE -- Rom 1:20 -- cheering DESTRUCTION instead of LIFE, ... and FAILING to MAKE KNOWN to the WORLD the WONDERFUL ACCOMPLISHMENT of the CROSS -- Col 1:20 -- 2 Cor 5:19

HELL gets NO VICTORY -- 1 Cor 15:54 -- but wallow in it until your SHAME is come forth if you must.

Teaching the CROOKED pathway, which is destined for its RIGHTFUL and FOREVER LOST place in the ditch of SHAME -- Matt 7:22-23 -- Matt 24:5

The BLIND attempting to lead the BLIND... Just as the religious of the day of CHRIST -- Matt 23:13-34 -- SNAKES, painted (with the guise of the Gospel) ...a TOMBSTONE of DEATH...

Unable to note IN SCRIPTURE, where ANYONE was commissioned or commanded by GOD, to preach this DISGUSTING and IRREVERANT BLASPHEMY against the God of LOVE -- 1 John 4:8 -- and GRACE -- Rom 5:12-20 -- Matt 5:38-48 -- and PEACE -- Rom 15:11

NOT SENT of CHRIST -- via your condemnation of others, by DOING OTHER than did CHRIST -- John 8:11 -- which was SENT NOT to condemn -- John 3:17 -- and which does NOT CHANGE -- Heb 13:8 -- NEVER varying -- James 1:17

A tongue AFIRE of GEHENNA (place of SHAME)... with condemnations which OUGHT NOT SO TO BE -- James 3:6-10
PITIFUL, COLD, SELF-oriented = MISLED! :frozen2:

You have been warned... and though you shall seek :help: ...your SHAME shall be exposed WITHOUT EXCUSE. :sigh:

Peace... :groupray:


...willieH :hug:
 
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The teaching of a "hellfire" has been a cornerstone of the churches for centuries. But were they the first to have a belief in a "hellfire" ? No, for over two thousand years before the Catholic church was founded by Constantine in the 4th century C.E., the Babylonians had a belief in a "Land of the Dead".

In the book The History of Hell, by Alice K. Turner (1993), noted this about the doctrine or teaching of a "hell": "The first accounts of the Land of the Dead that we know about were written nearly four thousand years ago on baked clay tablets from the Tigris-Euphrates Valley north of the Persian Gulf in Iraq. Sumer is the earliest name we have for the region....The Sumerians were conquered by the Semitic Akkadians, and the area began to be known as Babylonia, after the principal city, Babylon. The Sumerians, Akkadians, Babylonians, and neighboring Assyrians are frequently grouped as Mesopotamians, and they shared many of the same beliefs and myths, though their gods sometimes went by different names."

This belief continued down through the centuries to the classical Greek period, before Alexander the Great conquered Medo-Persia in 331 B.C.E. In the book Histoire des enfers (The History of Hell, 2005), by Georges Minois, page 50, it said: "Of all classical Greek philosophers, the one who has had the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell is Plato (428 ?-347 B.C.E.)”

The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 25, page 890, states: “From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms . . . The philosophy that suited them best was Platonism [the teachings of Plato].” Thus, the Babylonian teaching of "hell" that Plato taught was now absorbed into so-called "Christianity".

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994 edition, page 270, states: “The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God.” Hence, orthodox "Christianity" teaches "hell" as a doctrine that is supposedly supported by the Bible. But does it ? In a word No.

The word "hell", as found in the King James Bible, is rendered from the Hebrew word sheol and the Greek words Hades and Gehenna. To show the inconsistency of the King James Bible in its rendering of these words, at Isaiah 14, it renders sheol as "hell" in verse 9, but as the "grave" in verse 11. This is like speaking "with forked tongue."

In the King James Version, the word “hell” is rendered from she’ohl´ 31 times and from hai´des 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since she’ohl´ is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version she’ohl´ is rendered “hell” 63 times, “pit” once, and “death” once. Inconsistency does not favor grasping the real meaning of the Bible “hell”, but rather causes confusion.

At Acts 2:27, the apostle Peter says of Jesus, quoting from Psalms 16:10, that "because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (Greek hades), neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption."(King James Bible) The corresponding Hebrew word sheol is at Psalms 16:10.

If "hell" is a place of fiery torment, then why did God allow Jesus to go there for parts of three days ? Consider this: Job was suffering from the loss of all his children, financial ruin, and had a loathsome disease caused by Satan. Yet, he requested this of God: "O that in She´ol you would conceal me, that you would keep me secret until your anger turns back, that you would set a time limit for me and remember me! "(Job 14:13)

If the Hebrew word sheol is the same as "hell", then why did Job request to be concealed there, to "set time limit for me and remember me" ? It is of interest that the King James Bible renders sheol here as "the grave" instead of "hell".

With such inconsistent renderings in the King James Bible, to attain an understanding of the words sheol, hades, and Gehenna would be nearly impossible and it is no wonder that many are so confused as to its' real meaning. If a person were to use a measuring tape that was inconsistent, how then could anything be built according to specs ? Precision of measuring instruments are required in order to build a precise home or piece of equipment.

Hence, what are the real meanings of sheol, hades, and Gehenna ? After Jacob's sons had lied regarding the supposed death of Joseph, their younger brother, Jacob, a righteous man, Genesis 37:35 says: "And all his sons and all his daughters kept rising up to comfort him, but he kept refusing to take comfort and saying: “For I shall go down mourning to my son into She´ol!” And his father continued weeping for him."

If sheol is "hell", then why did Jacob want to go down " to my son into She´ol" ? It is of interest again that the King James Bible renders sheol here as "the grave" instead of "hell", which is the accurate meaning of sheol (and also the Greek word hades as seen in the Christian Greek Scriptures, customarily called the New Testament), mankind's common grave.

Of the Greek word Gehenna, Jesus at times associated it with fire. Why ? To show destruction and not torment. This Greek word he used is tied in with the garbage dump that lay to the south of Jerusalem (called the valley of Hinnom), outside its walls, whereby the city's refuse was cast, including the dead bodies of criminals. It was alight with fire to consume all this trash, and sulphur was constantly being added to insure this.

However, what the fire did not consume, the maggots did, until nothing was left remaining. Hence, when Jesus used the Greek word Gehenna, as at Matthew 5:22, 29, 30 and 10:28 etc, he was pointing to a person's total destruction from which there is no resurrection from the dead and not torment.

That is why Jesus told the wicked Pharisees: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one you make him a subject for Ge·hen´na twice as much so as yourselves."(Matt 23:15) These were deserving of total elimination.
 
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