For those of you who hold to a "real presence" belief in regards to communion, upon what do you base that belief?
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Scriptural evidence/support for Real Presence
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ByzantineDixie
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"This is my body....This is my blood"
It goes to the understanding of "is"... (Ya know, every time this comes up I think of Clinton asking for the word "is" to be defined. The man who at the time was the most powerful political figure in the world thought he was being clever by using this angle.
)Luther said "ist" ist "ist".
Believing in the "Real Presence" means accepting the Mystery. Sure...it doesn't make sense from a human reasoning perspective but God is the Creator and we are the created. The created does not establish the boundaries for the Creator. God is allowed to do things we do not understand. Its a matter of faith and such a wonderful gift!
Rose
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It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: THE WORDS I SPEAK ARE SPIRIT, and they are life.
In verse 63, Jesus asked the disciples that murmured, "Doth this offend you? It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth (gives life); THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT, and they are life." He told them plainly that He was not talking literally. He said, "...the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT." He also told them here that the physical flesh profits nothing.
This was an example, like when someone in court tries to explain how an accident happens and they draw a picture saying, 'this line is the road and this red X is my car...." Now we know that the line he drew isn't actually a street, it just represents one. The disciples knew this; they knew Jesus wasn't advocating cannibalism. They knew it was bread.
In verse 63, Jesus asked the disciples that murmured, "Doth this offend you? It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth (gives life); THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT, and they are life." He told them plainly that He was not talking literally. He said, "...the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT." He also told them here that the physical flesh profits nothing.
This was an example, like when someone in court tries to explain how an accident happens and they draw a picture saying, 'this line is the road and this red X is my car...." Now we know that the line he drew isn't actually a street, it just represents one. The disciples knew this; they knew Jesus wasn't advocating cannibalism. They knew it was bread.
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WesleyJohn said:* WesleyJohn sits and listens, for he has been pre-supposed out of the OP.
Grace and Peace,
WJ (who holds to the Wesleyan Quadrilateral of Scripture, Reason, Tradition, and Experience) (and who likes tulc's trademark)
WJ,
I realize that you may hold to other evidence besides Scripture, however that doesn't exclude you from discussing precisely what in Scripture supports your view and how it supports it.
I don't want you to feel left out. 
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Since I can't and won't post here I do suggest you check with those Anglicans and Lutherans and other RP believers about the Aramaic and Greek words used that do not, in a RP-believers' view, support "figurative" interpretation.
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Bastoune said:
Um . . .
. . . you just did post here.Bastoune said:
That's what I'm doing. It's the reason for the thread.
God Bless!!
Lisa
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Luthers Rose said:
What mystery? Who defined the Last Supper or communion as a "mystery?"
Luthers Rose said:
To me, what doesn't make sense according to human reasoning is how humans came up with this teaching or explanation. If that was truly what God meant or Jesus said, it would make sense because He said.
Luthers Rose said:
You are correct. And I don't think any person who does not believe in the Real Presence bases that non-belief on the inability of God to perform such a feat. We all know that He can do anything He wants. However, I think He also possesses the ability to make Himself clearly understood in all instances.
Luthers Rose said:
Really???
I didn't know God was allowed to do anything. I don't think He needs permission . . . . 
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ByzantineDixie
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I don't have a clue as to who first used the term mystery in connection with the Lord's Supper. It's a term that works for me because in my limited human understanding...I can not fathom how this is done...other than to chalk it up to the power of God. Yea God!!!
I don't see the issue here...He has made himself clearly understood. But just as clearly we know He does things that our human minds can not explain. How does touching a garment heal a woman who has the issue of blood? How does a group of 5000 get feed with a few loaves and fishes? How can Christ be really present in the communion elements? Because of the power of God. We are not called to understand these things...we are called to have faith in these things.
Really???
Ahhh...I really need to be more careful how I use language in these forums...I guess any imprecision is fair game. YIKES! Mea culpa.
Rose
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Lotar said:Somebody needs to open the IDD quick! Racer's turning on us!
LOL!!!
Too funny!! I can't stop giggling.
No matter what, I love you guys!!
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Luther's Rose said:
You're fine.
Please forgive me. 
I sometimes let my dry humor get out of control. I'm sorry.
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seebs
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I don't recall the exact explanations they gave me when I was a kid, but I believe that, now that I know all the words, it came down to consubstantiation. The pastor would say "this is my body, given for you", and "this is my blood, given for you" when handing out wafers and wine. He never said "this is sort of symbolic, and it's actually just a cookie". I assume this is because my church was fairly literal-minded about the Bible, and figured that if Jesus said "this is My body", that it meant that the thing described was His body. (ELCA Lutheran, if it matters.)
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ByzantineDixie
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racer said:You're fine.
Oh no...no apologies necessary. I do need to work on my forum skills. It is so easy for me to forget that y'all can see my joyful spirit through these written exchanges!!!
In His Grace
Rose
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Terri said:
I just hope she can get you all straighted out!! I certainly haven't had much success!!
Terri,
I don't think he was funnin'.
At first I thought he was, but I have since discovered he most likely wasn't. Oh, well . . . . .
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