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[Live4Jesus]

I get migraines now and then, probably nothing like your dad's, generally I think from eating something that disagrees with me... anyway what i like to do is lay down and pretend/imagine I am laying on God's feet and He's loving me... helps quite a bit believe it or not... if I don't seek to get near Him, Father God himself, somehow or another during those times, they'll last a full 3 days normally...

I have head that taking some of those migraine aspirins is actually real bad for people that suffer that, and I did it once and it proved true, it goes away temporarily and then several hours later comes back twice as bad...


luckily i don't get them often. They are nasty.

 

[Caedmon]

Sometimes I get minor panic attacks in public places, like classrooms, auditoriums and such. The only thing that has really helped me to overcome these is to imagine Mary holding me and wrapping me in her mantel like she took care of baby Jesus. There is nothing that has proven to be more effective for me than this. I am so grateful that I've discovered what her mother's love can feel like. I can finally calm down, whew...

 

[Live4Jesus]

Panic attacks is usually a sign of demons indwelling... or just an unclean spirit.

Your spirit is panicking. Unexplainable emotions hmmm...

You could use a good church that does deliverance, you would feel brand new, for a few days at least till they came back...

 

[Michie]

Hmm, that reminds me of that show I saw lastnight about exorcisms.

I don't believe panic attacks are demonic but a chemical imbalance.

 

[Live4Jesus]

It is weird, now I do know that panic attacks are generally an unclean spirit, no question about that here so don't bother debating, neither of us will win with each other I am sure... but what is weird, is that when people experience this stuff, yea, there is usually a physical side to it as well, chemical imbalance or what have you...

Maybe Quaffer knows a little bit about it...

It would be interesting to get some real Christian doctors to actually take notes on it without getting debunked...

 

[Caedmon]

Today at 07:29 PM Live4Jesus said this in Post #24 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=649744#post649744)

Panic attacks is usually a sign of demons indwelling... or just an unclean spirit.

Your spirit is panicking. Unexplainable emotions hmmm...

You could use a good church that does deliverance, you would feel brand new, for a few days at least till they came back...

Whenever Mommy Mary prays for me, the bad spirits go away.

 

[Michie]

My Hubby has panic attacks & it is definitely chemical.

Their may be those that have unexplained panic attacks though.

 

[Live4Jesus]

Today at 04:57 AM humblejoe said this in Post #27 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=650128#post650128)

Whenever Mommy Mary prays for me, the bad spirits go away.

Jesus gets rid of them forever... in one fell swoop...

You need the Holy spirit to stay clean.

 

[Caedmon]

Today at 11:40 PM Live4Jesus said this in Post #29 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=650214#post650214)

Jesus gets rid of them forever... in one fell swoop...

You need the Holy spirit to stay clean.

You said...

Panic attacks is usually a sign of demons indwelling... or just an unclean spirit.

And then you said...

Jesus gets rid of them forever... in one fell swoop...

You need the Holy spirit to stay clean.

According to your explanation, the only way that I could get rid of the bad spirits that you say are causing my panic attacks, "in on fell swoop", would be to get saved, which can only mean that I am not currently saved and do not have the Holy Spirit.

Now, considering that I do have the Holy Spirit, my panic attacks could not logically, according to your argument, be caused by bad spirits, whose condition upon entering and tormenting me are contingent upon me not being currently saved.

 

[Andrew]

I don't believe panic attacks are demonic but a chemical imbalance.

what if the demon is the one that messes up your chemical balance? Science sees only the chemical part, and that may be all there is to it.

Christians just consider the possibility of both. And if both are true, then it only makes sense to get to the root of it, which is to get rid of the demon causing it. IOW, u can use medicine to get the balance right, but all the demon has to do is make it imbalanced again.

just like cancer: you can cut out the limb or organ, but if there's a spirit behind it, all it has to do is manifest the cancer cells in another part of the body. No wonder doctors say cancer "has a life of its own, jumping from one place to another".

 

[Michie]

Well, makes no sense to me.

So everyone that has an illness has a demon behind it?

I don't go along with that line of thinking.

Period.

 

[Live4Jesus]

Today at 05:58 AM humblejoe said this in Post #30 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=650253#post650253)

You said...



And then you said...



According to your explanation, the only way that I could get rid of the bad spirits that you say are causing my panic attacks, "in on fell swoop", would be to get saved, which can only mean that I am not currently saved and do not have the Holy Spirit.

Now, considering that I do have the Holy Spirit, my panic attacks could not logically, according to your argument, be caused by bad spirits, whose condition upon entering and tormenting me are contingent upon me not being currently saved.

So you are saying then, that the Holy ghost that is with you suffers from panic attacks?

Fear is not of God... maybe time to test the spirit.

 

[Caedmon]

Today at 12:46 PM Live4Jesus said this in Post #33 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=651081#post651081)

So you are saying then, that the Holy ghost that is with you suffers from panic attacks?

Fear is not of God... maybe time to test the spirit.

So are you saying that a Christian never gets frightened, nervous, or anxious, and never panics?

 

[seebs]

Wow, and here I was thinking that panic attacks were most often a minor neurological disorder.

 

[Evening Mist]

On the subject of the subconscious -- if I have a psychological space in myself that allows the devil to reside in me without my conscious awareness, then I would much rather figure out a way to access it and deal with it, then stifle everything and go on with my life pretending I can stay in control just by ignoring it. The whole idea of the subconscious is that as long as are unaware of what resides there, you can be powerfully influenced by it without even realizing it.

While I wouldn't characterize what resides in my subconscious as "the devil," I can easily imagine that I have sinful motives and inclinations hidden in there. Making an effort to be aware of them is helpful in repenting of them, and trying to do better.

But Psychoanalytics are one branch of psychology, and only a theoretical model. It is a helpful approach for some, and not so much for others.

Hypnosis takes advantage of the power of suggestion. It relies on your already existing inclination to resond to only certain suggestions. It requires a level of intentionality and discipline. I have known a number of women who found a form of hypnosis to be very helpful in controlling labor pain. Personally, I found it too tedious. I'd rather yell and scream.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Today at 05:26 PM humblejoe said this in Post #34

So are you saying that a Christian never gets frightened, nervous, or anxious, and never panics?

Hey Joe,

Unfortionately, Christians do experience these emotions.  But, should they? 

According to scripture, "God has not given us a spirit of fear, He's given a spirit of "love, power, and a sound mind". 

So we may logically conclude that when we become frightened, nervous, anxious, and panic (these are all other words for fear), then it is a spirit causing it and the spirit is not sent from God.

Just because we do experience these emotions, does not mean they should be permitted to stay and that they are to lead the way in the way we live.  We are the one's with the authority, not them (evil spirits)

Be blessed,

Quaffer

 

[Live4Jesus]

Yesterday at 11:36 PM Evening Mist said this in Post #36 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=651638#post651638)

On the subject of the subconscious -- if I have a psychological space in myself that allows the devil to reside in me without my conscious awareness, then I would much rather figure out a way to access it and deal with it, then stifle everything and go on with my life pretending I can stay in control just by ignoring it. The whole idea of the subconscious is that as long as are unaware of what resides there, you can be powerfully influenced by it without even realizing it.

Very well said, I am in full agreement.

Thats why I think, in the bible it states Jesus 'knew what was in man'. It refers to that area, the hidden things.

Joe, Holy spirit came here and resolved all those issues. He's a real cool guy, never falters.

But until I knew Him I never could comprehend much less fully believe how awesome He is either, what the 'Grace' of God means...

By the grace of God I was saved that is for sure, for I was a wretch undone.

but no more praise God.

thank you Jesus.

He is soooo cool.... Mercy me.

 

[Andrew]

Well, makes no sense to me.

So everyone that has an illness has a demon behind it?

you obvioulsy did not read my post carefully.

 

[SnuP]

Yesterday at 11:58 PM humblejoe said this in Post #30

You said...



And then you said...



According to your explanation, the only way that I could get rid of the bad spirits that you say are causing my panic attacks, "in on fell swoop", would be to get saved, which can only mean that I am not currently saved and do not have the Holy Spirit.

Now, considering that I do have the Holy Spirit, my panic attacks could not logically, according to your argument, be caused by bad spirits, whose condition upon entering and tormenting me are contingent upon me not being currently saved.

You are extremely right.  But I think that you may be missing somethings.  You already know that bad spirits can not occupy the same space as the Holy Spirit.  But is the Holy Spirit occupying your mind?  If He does occupy your mind then no darkness or sin should be found there.  Bad spirits can occupy any space that has darkness in it.  In this case it would be easy for a demon to occupy your thoughts and yet have the Holy Spirit maintain control of your spirit.  The reality is that you do need salvation.  Not salvation for your spirit, but salvation for your mind and thoughts.  You may believe that you only need to get saved once.  That is true.  You only need to get saved from hell once, but you may need to get saved from seperation many times.  Jesus didn't come just to save us from hell.  He accually came to restore our relationship with God.  From this understanding there are many areas in our lives that need to be restored and saved from the seperation that keeps us from God.  Satan has control of us in any area that is not saved (from seperation).  Those are also the areas that are not free from sin and desease.  Fear (panic attacts) are a seperation of our minds from the Lord.  Perfect love cast out fear.  So therefore you have not experienced God's love in your mind.  As long as you have area that are not saved, crusified, and redeemed, then you will have areas of defeat, and are subject to the enemies control (sin).

 

[Caedmon]

Today at 12:13 AM SnuP said this in Post #40 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=652413#post652413)

You are extremely right.  But I think that you may be missing somethings.  You already know that bad spirits can not occupy the same space as the Holy Spirit.  But is the Holy Spirit occupying your mind?  If He does occupy your mind then no darkness or sin should be found there.  Bad spirits can occupy any space that has darkness in it.  In this case it would be easy for a demon to occupy your thoughts and yet have the Holy Spirit maintain control of your spirit.  The reality is that you do need salvation.  Not salvation for your spirit, but salvation for your mind and thoughts.  You may believe that you only need to get saved once.  That is true.  You only need to get saved from hell once, but you may need to get saved from seperation many times.  Jesus didn't come just to save us from hell.  He accually came to restore our relationship with God.  From this understanding there are many areas in our lives that need to be restored and saved from the seperation that keeps us from God.  Satan has control of us in any area that is not saved (from seperation).  Those are also the areas that are not free from sin and desease.  Fear (panic attacts) are a seperation of our minds from the Lord.  Perfect love cast out fear.  So therefore you have not experienced God's love in your mind.  As long as you have area that are not saved, crusified, and redeemed, then you will have areas of defeat, and are subject to the enemies control (sin).

You can't seperate the mind from the soul, just like you can't seperate Jesus' soul from His divinity, or faith from works. There are no boundaries between mind and soul. It is impossible to distinguish them from each other. At what point does soul cease to be a part of the mind, or vice versa? They are totally intertwined. If a "bad spirit" could occupy your mind, then it most certainly would occupy your soul as well. And fwiw, I do not believe in "once saved, always saved."