I see. Well, I was talking modern era... as the Vikings rate a mention too, but they aren't really what we're discussing.Likely the first American colonists.
***************************************************************************************************Gun ownership in modern America reached a peak in the mid-1970s when 55 percent of American households reported owning a gun, according to the NORC study. In 2006, that share had dropped to 35 percent. Researchers attribute the change to two things: fewer people hunt as a recreational activity and, as the crime rate dropped during the 1990s, fewer people felt the need for a gun to protect themselves ..........
"The vast majority of Americans supported the idea that 9/11 increased the need for regulation of firearms," says Tom Smith, director of the NORC in a taped interview released with the study. "Support for regulation of firearms – for example, requiring a police permit before the purchase of a firearm – is very high [at 79 percent and] did not decline at all because of 9/11."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0420/p03s02-ussc.html?page=2
With a new Obama Administration, a few moderate Supreme Court appointments and the further decline of gun owners - the days of the America's "gun culture" are numbered.
**********************************************************Which is exactly why that socialist shouldn't be elected.
The day the people who hate this country and the freedom we still posses try to strip the rest of it away from us, there will be revolution, and their days will be numbered.
If you do not support this decision, then you not an American.
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In 2006, approximately 80% of American and 66% of America households don't own guns.
Your narrow definition of what's constitutes "American" - excludes most Americans.
Personally I never thought the political left nor the right "hate" America - but 8 years under Bush Administration and their "neo con" friends could prove me wrong.
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The "NRA types" shouldn't take too much comfort from the recent Supreme Court decision.
Despite having a majority of Republican appointments, it was a 5-4 decision while the current number of Americans owning guns has fallen to 35%.
With a new Obama Administration, a few moderate Supreme Court appointments and the further decline of gun owners - the days of the America's "gun culture" are numbered.
**********************************************************You're citing a study published by people who don't even believe in science, and is carried out by what apparently is a fairly anti-gun university.
Yeah.
Real credible source you've got there.
World's Top 20 Universities - 2006
1 Harvard University
2 University of Cambridge
3 University of Oxford
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4 Yale University
6 Stanford University
7 California Institute of Technology
8 University of California, Berkeley
9 Imperial College London
10 Princeton University
11 University of Chicago
12 Columbia University
13 Duke University
14 Beijing University
15 Cornell University
16 Australian National University
17 London School of Economics and Political Science
18 Ecole Normale Supérieure
19 National University of Singapore
19 University of Tokyo
http://newshub.nus.edu.sg/headlines/0610/ranking_07oct06.htm
I certainly hope we have more than the "informed opinion" of a "Panzerkampfwagen" to back up such comments.Your people who don't even believe in science,
carried out by what apparently is a fairly anti-gun university.
Yeah.
Real credible source you've got there
I can only assume, based on your written and reading comprehension skills, you're not a University of Chicago graduate!!!!!Did those people control for the fact that by law, a quarter of the US population is prohibited from owning a firearm (because of age)?
I can only assume, based on your written and reading comprehension skills, you're not a University of Chicago graduate!!!!!
You know how I know the U of C is anti-gun because they're launching anti-gun initiatives.
And I can only assume based on your astute knowledge of this study, that they didn't, which to prevent youth violence and taking "guns out of the equation" when it does occur.QUOTE]
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???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????City, U. of C. launch anti-violence initiative
By Hal Dardick | Tribune reporter
7:27 PM CDT, April 10, 2008
Mayor Richard Daley announced an effort Thursday to study and combat youth violence involving the city, University of Chicago and philanthropists, but neither he nor professors could provide specifics about what kind of programs might result.
.......... City and school leaders have been frustrated by a recent wave of shootings and beatings that have left 23 Chicago Public Schools students dead this school year.
U of C Professor Jens Ludwig said the effort has two goals: to prevent youth violence and taking "guns out of the equation" when it does occur. Test programs could be implemented as early as this summer, he added, saying that scholarly evaluation of the each program's effectiveness is what is "really new."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-daley-violence-11apr11,0,1248825.story
I've encountered some pretty BIZARRE responses in my day - but now I've seen EVERYTHING.
Apparently the 11th ranked university in the world has been discredited, in Panzerkampfwagen's eyes, because it has launched an "anti-violence initiative" to "to prevent youth violence and taking 'guns out of the equation' when it does occur."
That's it - Panzerkampfwagen objects to everything remotely associated with the University of Chicago because its trying to get guns away from violent Chicago youth.
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If you think my information is biased, provide an alternate poll.
**********************************************************Why?
I've already proven that it's not credible.
You're making claims about firearms ownership in the US, so the onus is on you to provide reliable research.
[/quote]If our conservative "collegues" truly believe that the 2nd Amendment allows the civilian population to keep, "the bureaucrats at bay," why are they so oblivious when the American military is viewed as the "bureaucrats" and face the threat of armed "civilian resistance" in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Dang,handguns ban, rifles and shotguns can be stored with gunlocks or disassembled, but police can't do their jobs withoutWe need to be equally equipped with the firearms that are being used against the police," said Monique Bond, a Chicago police spokeswoman. "If officers cannot protect themselves, they cannot protect residents."
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Did you ever audition for the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz - think about it!
**********************************************************Why?
I've already proven that it's not credible.
You're making claims about firearms ownership in the US, so the onus is on you to provide reliable research.
**********************************************************http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=126
I believe as this sight says, people were afraid of telling people they had firearms,
and fewer people admit to having guns, but really do.
I have about $400 invested in my firearms, I wouldn't be happy, if someone in goverment decided to take them with no reimbursement.
Hard to believe people are not buying guns, when crime is up, police response time is down, and violence happens daily in bigger citys.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=202&issue=007
targeting criminals instead of gun owners.
**********************************************************CRIME RATES FALL - 2007
.......... in the first six months of 2007, crime rates dropped for the first time in two years. Nationwide, violent crime fell 1.8 percent and property crime 2.6 percent compared to the same period last year.
... Violent crime fell in all four regions and in each of the four offense categories.
Nationally, murder and non-negligent manslaughter dropped 1.1 percent, forcible rape 6.1 percent, robbery 1.2 percent, and aggravated assault 1.7 percent.
... Among population groups, decreases in violent crime were largest—5.1 percent—in cities with 250,000 to 499,999 residents.
... The largest cities—those with a million people or more—experienced a 6.5 percent drop in murder rates, a 14.2 percent drop in forcible rape, a 4.3 drop in robbery, and a 3.3 drop in aggravated assault.
... Property crime also declined in all offense categories: burglary (1.3
percent), larceny-theft (2.1 percent), and motor vehicle theft (7.4 percent).
... Arson, which is measured separately, fell 9.7 percent across the country.
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/jan08/ucr_statistics010708.html
We both know any poll that I produce that contradicts your personal opinion about guns will be dismissed as "not credible."
Then you refuse to provide "reliable research" to support your own position.
Simple, statistics are national, people see crime in thier area, or neighborhoods.**********************************************************
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Hard to believe people are not buying guns, when crime is up, police response time is down, and violence happens daily in bigger citys.
Strange, but the gun owners appear oblivious to the fact that national crime is on the decrease. Now that its been brought to their attention, I'm sure they'll want to be the first in line to take the credit!!!
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