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Scientists making creationists cry.

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The Discovery Institute is getting so politely eviscerated by a couple of people right now — you ought to savor the destruction.
Richard Sternberg, the wanna-be martyr of the Smithsonian Institution, made a stupid mathematical mistake in explaining alternatively splicing, and then, after it was explained to him, did it a second time, revealing that it wasn't just an unfortunate slip, but a complete failure to grasp the basic concept. Even that wouldn't be so bad, except that Sternberg has been yammering away about how alternative splicing represents a serious problem for evolution.
Steve Matheson continues his deconstruction of the DI's poor performance in a recent debate. The creationists are constantly cheesed off about the whole idea of junk DNA, that there are great stretches of sequence that have no specific functional role, and seize upon every little example of non-coding DNA shown to have an effect on the phenotype to claim that all of it does. They don't understand junk DNA. Again, it's embarrassing that they even strain at this topic when they are so clueless.
My objection to Meyer's references to introns and "junk DNA" is more than just a quibble about the molecular biology of introns. I've explained before why I find the whole "junk DNA" mantra to be utterly duplicitous, and I referenced my previous writing in the critique of Meyer. The basic story told by DI propagandists and other creationists is that non-coding DNA was ignored for decades, during which it was thought to be completely functionless (due to "Darwinist" ideas), only to be dramatically revealed as centrally important to life. That story is false. The real story is more interesting and complex (of course) and has been explained in detail several times.
Really, T. Ryan Gregory's short and sweet post on the history of the concept is essential reading. If only the ID creationists would read it…
And finally, Matheson has a far too charitable letter to Stephen Meyer. He assumes that Meyer is a smart guy, honestly interested in science, who has gotten sucked into the inbred and self-deluding folly of creationism, urging him to get out and talk to actual scientists, where he'd learn what they really think, rather than these fallacious myths creationists tell themselves. It's a nice idea, but I think the premise is incorrect. Meyer is a creationist first, who has been trying to learn little bits of science that he can use to rationalize his preconceptions.
It's still a very nice letter, though, and a scathing denunciation of the Discovery Institute. They'll ignore it, I'm sure, except to move Matheson a few notches higher on their list of enemies.
 

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does it prove that there is no alien base in my molars?

How could anyone possibly bother to ask if there is proof that god does or does not exist?

If the question is of no interest why is the OP posting on CF? Why are you reading/posting to CF if you are a Buddhist?
 
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How does this prove God doesn't exist?

I see what happend here. you saw the word science and figured they where godless heathens trying to disprove your particular brand of god.

Dont worry, they are only utterly demolishing the wanna-be-scientific evidence. You can still simply have faith without evidence just like god intended. Really their doing you a favor.
 
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If the question is of no interest why is the OP posting on CF? Why are you reading/posting to CF if you are a Buddhist?

1. The OP is not about "proving god". Your q is a non sequitur. For more info ask the person who posted.

2. Whats it to you?
 
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1. The OP is not about "proving god". Your q is a non sequitur. For more info ask the person who posted.

2. Whats it to you?[/quote]
LOl. Because he prolly' thinks Buddhists are worse than atheists.

Back OT, that pesky junk DNA, a perpetual thorn in the side to ID/creationists. Will they ever understand?
 
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How do you prove god exists?

I look at creation and find it to be proof of God's existence. A clock needs a clock maker, a building needs a builder. Something does not come from nothing. Sorry I wrecked this thread and went off topic, I'l butt out now :p
 
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I look at creation and find it to be proof of God's existence. A clock needs a clock maker, a building needs a builder. Something does not come from nothing. Sorry I wrecked this thread and went off topic, I'l butt out now :p

What are your thoughts on atavistic DNA and the apparent inability of professional ID/creationists to understand it's role in our evolutionary history?
 
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I look at creation and find it to be proof of God's existence. A clock needs a clock maker, a building needs a builder. Something does not come from nothing. Sorry I wrecked this thread and went off topic, I'l butt out now :p


Yep and a canyon needs a canyon maker. Storm needs a storm maker. wave needs a waver maker, god needs a god maker; all the way down its turtles.
 
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