Scientist and their Science - Infalliable ?

[lithium.]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
" But it will never fail or go away."

I disagree, theories have failed in the past and will continue to do so and be replaced by others.

"And all evidence points to an old old old earth."

and this has nothing to do with evolution, that's another issue all together.

I disagree, theories don't go away they just don't get accepted by the science community just like the theory of creation.

And old earth has a alot to do with evolution, evolution is based on something evolving and for something to evolve it takes millions, and million of years which points to an old earth.

 

[David Gould]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"If a theory is wrong, it'll show up sooner or later because it simple won't be working when it's being applied."

I agree and evolution will fail eventually.

"This is something that the general public need to be aware of when it comes to science news."

Yup, that's right David, along with "peer" pressure to adhere to a popular theory or something someone wants to prove correct but cannot do so with all the evidience, like evolution.

I disagree that evolution falls into this category, but this certainly can happen over short periods of time. It is unlikely that evolution would be one of these - it has stood up to about 150 years of scrutiny, which is a greater time than relativity and quantum mechanics. And evolution has been the hardest scrutinised, because of its possible theological implications.

If evolution fails eventually (for example, it might be generally correct but fails unders certain special conditions, like Newtons laws, although it is hard to see how this could be case with evolution) it will be because of scientists working stuff out.

This will again show that the scientific enterprise is the only we have of working stuff out that is reliable over time.

 

[TheBear]

"I disagree, theories have failed in the past and will continue to do so and be replaced by others."

Yup, just like the teachings of geocentricity. It took a long time for the religious community to finally accept the fact that the earth did not stand still, while the sun and universe revolved around it.

"I agree and evolution will fail eventually."

Is this a wish or a hope....or a little of both?

 

[LouisBooth]

"I disagree, theories don't go away they just don't get accepted by the science community just like the theory of creation. "

wrong-o I think you need to research a little more. Maybe you will take bear's word for it.

"it has stood up to about 150 years of scrutiny,"

I would say it hasn't.

"This will again show that the scientific enterprise is the only we have of working stuff out that is reliable over time."

Yup, its called a breakthrough or some other serendip. discovery

Bear, its a prediction, not a hope, nor a wish.

 

[David Gould]

Originally posted by LouisBooth

"it has stood up to about 150 years of scrutiny,"

I would say it hasn't.

It is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Thus, it has stood up to 150 years of scrutiny.

 

[TheBear]

"Bear, its a prediction, not a hope, nor a wish."

Yup, it's a crystal ball prediction, nothing more.

 

[lithium.]

wrong-o I think you need to research a little more. Maybe you will take bear's word for it.

Yes you are right theories have failed observational tests/other tests, but they don't go completely away if that was the case than the theory of creation would have already gone away.

 

[LouisBooth]

"It is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Thus, it has stood up to 150 years of scrutiny."

so what? So was the hope of cold fusion, or some other wrong things.

"Yup, it's a crystal ball prediction, nothing more."

yup, so what other predictions in the past that proved to be quite true. I don't use a crystal ball, just common sense and science

"Yes you are right theories have failed observational tests, but they don't go completely away if that was the case than the theory of creation would have already gone away."

LOL, it is the case. You don't have to try and make an if then statement when it doesn't apply. theories have disappeared because they were wrong. Just accept that fact and move on.

 

[TheBear]

"yup, so what other predictions in the past that proved to be quite true. I don't use a crystal ball, just common sense and science"

Yup, the "common sense and science" of a layman, always triumphs over the scientific community.

 

[lithium.]

I have accepted the fact but thats what I am saying. LOL I know theories were wrong, But that doesn't stop people from thinking that the theory is right or true.

The theory of creation isn't accepted by science cause there is no data to back it up, but that doesn't stop people from thinking it's real.

But if I am wrong about this I will do some reading and find the answer.

I am sorry if this didn't make much sence some times I have a hard time putting what I want to say into words. So don't hold it against me

 

[LouisBooth]

"Yup, the "common sense and science" of a layman, always triumphs over the scientific community."

LOL. 1. you're a layman yourself 2. I in the scientific community so I'm not a layman thanks 3. Its funny how religious you are about evolution

"I know theories were wrong"

Exactly, and evolution will be that way to, just give it time Science isn't a instantanious thing.

 

[lithium.]

Exactly, and evolution will be that way to, just give it time Science isn't a instantanious thing.

You seem to believe so much but you havn't gave us any details on how you think the theory will fail and go away.

I don't see that happing it's like the theory of gravity. It will never go away.

 

[edgeo]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"It is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Thus, it has stood up to 150 years of scrutiny."

LB: so what? So was the hope of cold fusion, or some other wrong things.

Are you saying that cold fusion was accepted by a vast majority of scientists?  That it withstood the tests of 150 years?


 

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by Anthony
Point of clarification:

Science is not the issue here, but rather the scientitst/human findings themself, and how they are marketed to the public. While other scientists for the most part are more critical; the general public is not, and will run with anything. Also with today discoveries equating to big bucks, scientists are not always so inclined to release the details of their research and or findings. Accordingly validations are slow to come or never come, for some of these discoveries.

Remember those Chemists who discovered Cold Fusion in 1989; their findings have never been replicate 13 years later. Yet they got plenty of air time, and who knows how many grants for further research. Or the discovery of Lucy which was passed off as Man's ancestor for many years, only to be quietly given up.

So the general public is uneducated and credulous. What else is new?  

 

[LouisBooth]

"It will never go away."

and I disagree. There are a few holes in it and I think in time there will be more.

 

[lithium.]

and I disagree. There are a few holes in it and I think in time there will be more.

Sorry but almost every theory has holes but that doesn't mean there going to fail and go away no theory is perfect and no will be.

 

[TheBear]

"LOL. 1. you're a layman yourself 2. I in the scientific community so I'm not a layman thanks 3. Its funny how religious you are about evolution"

LOL. Tell us your qualifications.....It is really hillarious how dogmatic, and unscientific your approach is.

 

[David Gould]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"It is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Thus, it has stood up to 150 years of scrutiny."

so what? So was the hope of cold fusion, or some other wrong things.

"

Cold fusion 'stood up' to about six months of scrutiny. It was never accepted by anywhere near the vast majority of scientists.

The only thing that I can think of that might come close would be the existence of phlogiston. This was accepted for many years.

 

[LouisBooth]

"Sorry but almost every theory has holes but that doesn't mean there going to fail and go away no theory is perfect and no will be."

Agreed. All theories have holes, and when they holes become very big, as I think they will with evolution, it is replaced by another theory. yes, they do "go away".

"Tell us your qualifications....."

Well I'm currently researching how the alpha helix forms based on the R units added to the chain and the interactions of them. Do you think me being in research is not in the scientific community?

"It is really hillarious how dogmatic, and unscientific your approach is."

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. You're very religious about evolution, and other issues that I've seen how you act make me thing you're very subborn even when you're wrong.

*sigh* it was just an example david, pulled out of the air.

 

[lithium.]

Agreed. All theories have holes, and when they holes become very big, as I think they will with evolution, it is replaced by another theory. yes, they do "go away".

LOL I am sorry but what would it be replaced with. I mean all evidence points to evolution. I do think that evolution will probably get changed a little, but will not go away. The theory just has to much evidence to back it up. It will not be replaced with a theory that backs ups creation or anything about the earth being young there is no evidence/data that says the earth is young.

But you seem to want evolution to fail IMO. The theory of gravity has hole yet its stills stands.

DUDE BTW I Agree that theories go away, but some people will always think that the theorie are right.