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Scientific Noah's flood.

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Uh, 'fraid not.

You see, these layers I speak of are in the middle of the layers creationists tell us were laid down by the flood. Flood layers below, flood layers above.
That was the popular theory before Darwin's friend Lyell came along with gradualism. (Uniformitarianism) He became the father of geology and was widely accepted when he said that catastrophic theory did not explain geology or the layers. Also this was the beginning of OEC.
 
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"34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’b 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’c 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” (Matt 22:34-40)
 
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Irrelevant.

This does NOT tell me anything at all about how sediment layers can have raindrop impacts if they were being laid down underwater.
 
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Just goes to prove the conflicting nature of the contents of the Bible!

You people really love to spin things in order to prove your faith!
 
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So why did you bring it up?

Or are you trying to avoid a subject now that you know you have no answer to my question?

Once again, I will ask how we have sediment layers that have raindrop impacts in them if they were being laid down underwater?
You may as well knock on a deaf man's ear!
 
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doncha know? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I ask enough times, then he'll have to answer me, because by then everyone will know he's avoiding the question, and he'll get embarrassed.
I don't think he will feel embarrassed since he can always claim that "the devil dost speaketh in your stead"!
 
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OK. Now we read what you claim matches with scripture:


(#1) The passage reads that the prophesy found in scripture comes from God.
Elsewhere we read that there in none who is righteous, no not one.

(#2)So if there is not one righteous person who does good, then then Jesus did not ask anyone to keep the law in it's entirety until the end of time. That would be an impossible request.
Especially because Jesus came to fulfill the law all by Himself.
 
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It is in English unless you want me to quote the Greek:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
 
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I have to give you credit for this understanding. So, what was (and still is) the intention of God via these laws? In other words, what would God expect on God's people by having them kill children and women?

By this question, I actually answered your question.
 
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Uh, 'fraid not.

You see, these layers I speak of are in the middle of the layers creationists tell us were laid down by the flood. Flood layers below, flood layers above.

If it was in the middle of other layers, then how could it be interpreted even without the idea of global flood? Do you mean the feature of preserved rain drop is physically impossible? If it is possible, then what is the objection? How would the layer above it have anything to do with having the global flood or not having the flood?
 
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Since you are asking me an atheist I can only answer by saying that the Bible is the work of man and as such is fallible and susceptible to the ignorance of the bronze age on matters of the physical world. But if you ask me in the spiritual sense; This is how I expect the religious to see the Bible as a spiritual guide, then I can only say follow your heart!
 
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If it was in the middle of other layers, then how could it be interpreted even without the idea of global flood?

It would be interpretted as sediments that were laid down in sub-aerial environments instead of marine or aqueous environments. Lakes dry up. Sea levels change. Land is uplifted. I really don't see why this is a difficulty for standard geology.

How would the layer above it have anything to do with having the global flood or not having the flood?

How do you get preserved rain drops on sediments that are buried under flood waters?
 
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That is why I said the rain print was made AFTER the Flood. It can not be used to argue against the existence of the Flood.
 
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That is why I said the rain print was made AFTER the Flood.

The problem is that these rain prints are found bewteen sediments that YEC's claim were produced by the flood. That seems to be a very serious problem for flood geology.

It can not be used to argue against the existence of the Flood.

What geologic formation could be used to argue against the existence of the flood? How is flood geology falsifiable? Your claim above is rather empty unless you can show us how flood geology is falsifiable.

I suspect that what you are really saying is that no evidence will ever convince you that there was no flood. Every single piece of evidence, no matter what it is, will be handwaved away. Hundreds of thousands of annual lake varves uninterrupted by a single flood? Nope, that has to be ignored. You will just claim that the flood produced it . . . somehow. It really doesn't matter how since the flood had to happen, so the flood did it in some mysterious way no matter what.
 
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What?

Are you saying that the only way to explain ANY layering of sediments is with a global flood?

*Sigh*

Let me talk you through this...

According to flood apologists, the many layers of sediment we see were laid down very rapidly by the waters of Noah's flood. Each sediment was underwater when it was laid down.

On the other hand, science tells us that the layers of sediment were laid down one at a time over a great length of time. So one layer could be laid down, then the waters recede, then the next. Given the annual cycle of wet and dry seasons in many parts of the world, this is both plausible and observed today.

Now, we look at these layers when we dig them up. We see raindrop impacts in some of the layers (let's say Layer M), with other layers on top of them (layer L, K, J, I, H and so on).

The scientific explanation can explain this.

Waters come and deposit layer M. The waters then recede, exposing the wet mud of layer M to the air. Some rain comes - not enough to flood, but enough to leave raindrop impacts in Layer M. After the rain, the sun comes out and over the next several months, the mud of Layer M is baked hard by the dry season. Next year, the floods come again in the wet season, covering the rock hard layer M with a younger layer, layer L.

Flood geology can't explain it. For a raindrop to leave an impact crater, the layer of sediment must be exposed to the air (rain falls through the air - you don't get raindrops underwater). However, flood geology says that this never happened. Once Layer M was laid down by the flood, it was never exposed to the air again! By the time the flood waters had receded, Layer M had been covered by Layers L, K, J and so on.

So, according to flood geology, we should not be able to find ANY raindrop impacts, because the conditions made it impossible for raindrop impacts to occur. Since we do in fact find raindrop impacts, it proves that these layers of sediment could not have been laid down in a massive flood.
 
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That is part A. People continue to argue against the Flood in this category. That is what I am defending in this thread.

There are also part B. There are positive evidences that suggest there was indeed a global flood. But that is not a content of this thread.
 
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