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Scientific Evidence for Creationism
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Cassandra
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JohnR7 said:
Perhaps my english isn't as good as I thought it was. I thought "you are bearing false witness" meant that you were telling something untrue as if it were true when you knew it to be untrue.
Apparently it means we want John off the forum.
we want SOURCES, John. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE found by SCIENTISTS who did actual RESEARCH. You say their is plenty of it, yet you refuse to provide it. I could easily *say* that their is plenty of evidence for something, but unless I provide that evidence no one is going to take me seriously. Same rules apply to everyone, John, not just you. I expect anyone, even my fellow evolution proponents, to back up the claims they make with evidence. You are not being singled out and you are not being persecuted.
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JohnR7 said:
And post after post after post you dodge the questions we want your answers to, so either you dont understand that you need to give the answers or you do not have them.
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steen
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No, we merely want you to provide the scientific evidence for your claims that you insist is there. Get of the pitty potty, stop acting like a 12-year-old and start actually providing the evidence.JohnR7 said:
Ah, so now you are misrepresenting your personal belief as 'truth" revisionist linguistics seems to be the norm for creationists.
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march56
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It aint about science. Sorry. It's about the imagination. And leave species out for now. Just focus on space. All that free infinite nothingness that all of science has assumed was their God given laboratory for as long as scientists have been around. Please explain the origin of all that free infinite real estate. Please give me one shred of intelligent theory that will have me convinced. You really should answer that one before moving on to all of the complicated, chemical, physical, biological, mathematical, geothermal, artistical tangled mess of bickering and backstabbing that most certainly will result otherwise...Pseudonym said:Well here we are, a topic that I am sure has never been discussed on this board.
I am interested in the claim that creationism is supported by scientific evidence. I want to be provided sound evidence outside of the Bible that can be/has been tested several times. Preferably I would like to be pointed to .edu or .org sites (the only exception being for newspaper articles or Wikipedia) and not be forced to buy anything (such as books or journal subscriptions). Although I may not be able to access them, you may provide journal articles. I have access to most journals through my University of Florida account, but I can't guarantee that I can access every article ever written. That being said, be sure to provide the author(s), title of the article, title of the journal, journal edition and/or volume, and date the article was written. I should be able to find it with that much info.
I would also like the evidence to be current. Obviously I'm not going to give a specific cutoff date for what I consider to be current, but use your best judgment (i.e. do not post evidence from the 1920s unless it is truly solid science that has not been adapted or refuted since then).
Also, I'd like to ask evolutionists not to post snarky remarks such as, "Godditit!," make claims that I won't get any responses because there is no scientific evidence that supports creationism, and not post the scientific evidence they might think creationists think supports creationism. If creationists say there is scientific evidence, they are welcome to post it here themselves.
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Sorry, what? I'm afraid I didn't understand what you were trying to say there. Perhaps making your question or query concise and to-the-point might help. Do you want an explanation for how the universe got here? If so, why? The explanation for the origin of the universe has nothing to do with the explanation we have for the current level of biodiversity (evolutionary theory). Evolutionary theory stands on its own. God could have caused the initial expansion or existence of the universe for all evolutionary theory cares.march56 said:
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Thank youPseudonym said:Well here we are, a topic that I am sure has never been discussed on this board.
I am interested in the claim that creationism is supported by scientific evidence. I want to be provided sound evidence outside of the Bible that can be/has been tested several times. Preferably I would like to be pointed to .edu or .org sites (the only exception being for newspaper articles or Wikipedia) and not be forced to buy anything (such as books or journal subscriptions). Although I may not be able to access them, you may provide journal articles. I have access to most journals through my University of Florida account, but I can't guarantee that I can access every article ever written. That being said, be sure to provide the author(s), title of the article, title of the journal, journal edition and/or volume, and date the article was written. I should be able to find it with that much info.
I would also like the evidence to be current. Obviously I'm not going to give a specific cutoff date for what I consider to be current, but use your best judgment (i.e. do not post evidence from the 1920s unless it is truly solid science that has not been adapted or refuted since then).
Also, I'd like to ask evolutionists not to post snarky remarks such as, "Godditit!," make claims that I won't get any responses because there is no scientific evidence that supports creationism, and not post the scientific evidence they might think creationists think supports creationism. If creationists say there is scientific evidence, they are welcome to post it here themselves.
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RealityCheck
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march56 said:
You make it sound like science should be on trial.
Oh wait. It WAS put on trial. Several times. And won.
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march56 said:
The OP asked for scientific evidence for creationism. Do you have any? It seems that you don't.
As far as science goes, nothing is proven in science but models are falsified. Science can never falsify God but the Young Earth Creationist Model was proven guilty (i.e.) falsified a long time ago. However, that is not the question on this thread. The topic is scientific evidence for creationism. If you have any let's see it.
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march56 said:
No, your God is a perfect being and is supposed to be perfect, so therefore he is either innocent or guilty, science is not a democracy where the courts decide what is and is not right, science is science and is treated as fact until it is proven otherwise.
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JohnR7 said:
OK, let's have the first piece then. We've been waiting in fact since post #1.
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corvus_corax
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Not...HappyBackslider said:
Gonna...
Happen.
We've had threads like this before, where creationists are given the spotlight to present their evidence for their version of creationism (as opposed to just trying to tear down the ToE). The first one I remember was a thread created by Lucretius. Then, as now, the Creationists failed to provide an iota of objective empirical evidence (much less the "entire jigsaw puzzle") that "god did it" in any way, shape or form.
It's no suprise, really, considering the embarassment that Behe, Hovind and their ilk have become.
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If you dont have anything to address the OP,do not post here.
Ridiculing others is not very nice.
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If you dont have anything to address the OP,do not post here.
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JohnR7
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The first peice is that science and the Bible both say there is a beginning. The Greeks use to argue that there was no beginning or end. There are people that believed the earth did not have a beginning or a end. They did not believe the universe had a beginning or a end.
The Bible clearly says there was a beginning and there will be an end, and science confirms that this is true.
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he4rty
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Creationism is an act of faith (no real scientific evidence)
Evolution is a theory(No real scientific evidence)
if a creationist states his oppinion on a subject it is dismissed as being faith driven not scientific.
if an Evolutionist states his oppinion on a subject it is accepted as being scientific.
notice the similarities there both just oppinions.
theories should be taught as such, yet they get taught as though they are fact!
just on look at the unverse and how the planets work in harmony with each other and the mathmatical precision which causes total eclipses to occur tells me God definitly had a hand in creating the universe.
Creationism is an act of faith (no real scientific evidence)
Evolution is a theory(No real scientific evidence)
if a creationist states his oppinion on a subject it is dismissed as being faith driven not scientific.
if an Evolutionist states his oppinion on a subject it is accepted as being scientific.
notice the similarities there both just oppinions.
theories should be taught as such, yet they get taught as though they are fact!
just on look at the unverse and how the planets work in harmony with each other and the mathmatical precision which causes total eclipses to occur tells me God definitly had a hand in creating the universe.
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he4rty said:
Thats correct.
*sigh here we go again*
Its a scientifric theory, and a scientific theory is the highest you can get in science. Theres no time in the future where Atomic theory will be changed to Atomic fact.
Thats because, as you just said, Creationism is faith not science.
A theory doesnt mean guess in science.
All science is theory. Newtons law of gravity was overturned by the Einstein's THEORY of Relativity. Should we not teach gravity, germ theory, aerodynamics or atomic theory as facts?
Like you pointed out earlier, Creationism is based on faith not science.
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