Science vs. Evolution

[Hespera]

Hmmm -- seashells on top of mountains isn't considered out of place?

And I find it interesting that, even in the Mesopotamian region, where you guys do admit there was a region-wide flood, you claim nothing is out of place.

I submit everything is out of place (by comparison to the antediluvian world), but we wouldn't be able to tell, since there is no noticeable point of comparison.

A fish doesn't realize it is wet.

What is odd about limestone with seashells in it?

A person with even the barest beginner sort of grasp of geology knows that
mountains consist of rock that is pushed up from what was once level strata.

Likewise, the humblest beginner should know that the vertical sequence of fossils never varies, never reverses, never is mixed.

The prebeginner might think that "out of place" would be things like seashells in the desert, palm fossils in the arctic etc. it is interesting to see those, and it tells of how much different things were at different times in the past.

It doesnt say anything, tho, to alter the fact that nothing is displaced from the vertical sequence inwhich they are found.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Did you read what i wrote? Noah had additional children (Gen 9: 1), the maths therefore works out fine, then you have the gap of 100 years or more. There are no problems here.

So the entire world was re-populated by a single family who engaged in incest multiple times?

See, I thought that such strict Biblical literalists were wiped out in the last Age of Enlighthenment, but apparently some relics still survived.

Yes, as it explains neanderthals were a result of the Tower of Babel.

I believe the Neanderthals are from Middle-earth. They are probably the result of Edain bred with Naugrim.

 

[AV1611VET]

So the entire world was re-populated by a single family who engaged in incest multiple times?

No -- incest didn't exist until close marriages were prohibited in Leviticus.

 

[Cassiterides]

I don't have time to address any more of these right now but consider what I said above. In order to have individual dinosaurs you have to have breeding populations. Breeding populations of very large animals living around humans for thousands of years should have left far more evidence of their presence beyond these imaginative artistic depictions.

You are forgetting about actual modern sightings of dinosaurs.

http://creationwiki.org/Ropen
http://creationwiki.org/Indava

 

[The4thrider]

You are forgetting about actual modern sightings of dinosaurs.

http://creationwiki.org/Ropen
http://creationwiki.org/Indava

Creation wiki? Really? its almost as bad as conservepedia.

 

[Hespera]

Interesting how creationists are the same kind of gullible naif that will believe there really are still dinosaurs roaming about, that the "hydroplate theory" is reasonable. etc.

Then, you give them good solid research and they act like they picked up a snake.
Not so surprising, dangerous as rationality and research is to superstition.

 

[USincognito]

Dinosaurs in ancient Cambodian temple.

Didn't we debunk this claim 200 posts or so ago?
Carving of a Cambodian Stegosaurus? - TheologyWeb Campus

 

[tanzanos]

You are forgetting about actual modern sightings of dinosaurs.

You mean just like the time they saw Elvis living in a WW2 bomber on the surface of the moon?
Millions of people for centuries have reported sighting leprechauns, unicorns, fairies, and the like. Millions of people have reported seeing Vishnu on his chariot. I personally know some people who profess to have spoken with the Olympian Gods. Therefore I can conclude that the above are ALL IRREFUTABLE FACTS!

 

[Nathan Poe]

No -- incest didn't exist until close marriages were prohibited in Leviticus.

You mean it existed; it just wasn't forbidden.

 

[laconicstudent]

You are forgetting about actual modern sightings of dinosaurs.

http://creationwiki.org/Ropen
http://creationwiki.org/Indava

What this thread just turned into.
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[The4thrider]

This is closer.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Young Earth Creationists like Cassiterides are priceless. We must make sure that YEC fossilizes well so that future generations can learn what bad 'science' is like. Since we all know that YEC has the intellectual fitness of a dodo bird, it's only a matter of time before it disappears from the intellectual landscape altogether. And mourn it we must, for once YEC is thoroughly extinct where else are we going to find amusement?

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean it existed; it just wasn't forbidden.

It didn't exist -- incest is a crime.

 

[tanzanos]

It didn't exist -- incest is a crime.

Then why did God not punish LOT for fornicating with his own daughters? God punished his wife for looking at the destruction but let Lot scott free! Now that's what I call double standards!

 

[tanzanos]

Young Earth Creationists like Cassiterides are priceless. We must make sure that YEC fossilizes well so that future generations can learn what bad 'science' is like. Since we all know that YEC has the intellectual fitness of a dodo bird, it's only a matter of time before it disappears from the intellectual landscape altogether. And mourn it we must, for once YEC is thoroughly extinct where else are we going to find amusement?

Why are you insulting Dodo birds? No wonder they became extinct. Someone probably compared them to YECs when they were alive and they committed suicide from shame!

Don't believe me? It is in the bible!

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

You are forgetting about actual modern sightings of dinosaurs.

http://creationwiki.org/Ropen
http://creationwiki.org/Indava

Ropen? A glowing flying creature? Are you sure they aren't seeing Rodan with his radioactive breath beam.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Young Earth Creationists like Cassiterides are priceless. We must make sure that YEC fossilizes well so that future generations can learn what bad 'science' is like. Since we all know that YEC has the intellectual fitness of a dodo bird, it's only a matter of time before it disappears from the intellectual landscape altogether. And mourn it we must, for once YEC is thoroughly extinct where else are we going to find amusement?

There is always

Time Cube

 

[The4thrider]

There is always

Time Cube

Wow, Just wow. That was "special".

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

What is odd about limestone with seashells in it?

A person with even the barest beginner sort of grasp of geology knows that
mountains consist of rock that is pushed up from what was once level strata.

Likewise, the humblest beginner should know that the vertical sequence of fossils never varies, never reverses, never is mixed.

The prebeginner might think that "out of place" would be things like seashells in the desert, palm fossils in the arctic etc. it is interesting to see those, and it tells of how much different things were at different times in the past.

It doesnt say anything, tho, to alter the fact that nothing is displaced from the vertical sequence inwhich they are found.

Allow me to be a bit pedantic here. There are two well known situations when fossils are apparently out of order (note I said apparently). One is when there is an overthrusting of an older sediments over younger. Creationist often misuse this fact to try to claim that fossil are "out of order"
Thrust fault FAQ

Another case that is probably less common is when older strata are uplifted and eroded and fossils are washed down onto younger strata. I seem to recall that we discussed a case of that here so time ago. These situations are easily recognized and understood and do not represent problems for the principle of superposition but creationists often misuse them to try to convince their followers and others who lack knowledge of geology, that there there are problems with the fossil record.

 

[Hespera]

Allow me to be a bit pedantic here. There are two well known situations when fossils are apparently out of order (note I said apparently). One is when there is an overthrusting of an older sediments over younger. Creationist often misuse this fact to try to claim that fossil are "out of order"
Thrust fault FAQ

Another case that is probably less common is when older strata are uplifted and eroded and fossils are washed down onto younger strata. I seem to recall that we discussed a case of that here so time ago. These situations are easily recognized and understood and do not represent problems for the principle of superposition but creationists often misuse them to try to convince their followers and others who lack knowledge of geology, that there there are problems with the fossil record.

I was oversimplifying a bit. On one field trip to Oligocene badlands a chicken bone turned up "in situ". course it was in an erosion channel where it had been redeposited, along with some trash.