Science vs. Evolution

[Cabal]

Oh, well, if you want us to use backup outside of the Psalms, how about Adam living to be 950? or Methuselah to 969?

Or this doosey:

De 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

Ok, so that's two people not living under Mosaic dietary prescriptions, and pre-flood - so those aren't relevant to the point.

And you have one guy.

Statistical fail - could be an outlier. Try again.

 

[AV1611VET]

Adaptation is the outcome of change. Evolution means Change; Thus adaptation is a result of evolution.

Isn't that what I said?

 

[Cabal]

I decry the incorrect application of it leading to a false teaching.

False teaching according to your personal interpretation of the Bible.

Its almost like you want it to be true.

No, there is no want about it. It is what the evidence says.

I know atheists want it to be true.God is good,dont ever doubt that.But the idea of something super powerful being the ultimate judge over us,im sure thats actually quite a scary thought for some.Or a delusion to others.We shall see.

Atheists don't need evolution to justify their position - and evolution can have occured with God in control of it. That's my position.

Ive said before i think its christians duty to preserve Genesis as the factual account of our history.It happened ,despite what current secular thinking says.

Despite zero evidence for any of it?

I have spent a fair part of my life attempting to prove christianity wrong.I ended up being one.

Shame you ended up on the extreme end of things.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I would say flu vaccinations work on the principle of adaptation, not macroevolution.

What's the difference?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

So, interested in life, what say you to this?

 

[AV1611VET]

What's the difference?

The difference is we can accept a flu vaccination without having to believe we came from Tarzan's pet.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The difference is we can accept a flu vaccination without having to believe we came from Tarzan's pet.

And how does that mean adaptation is not macroevolution?

 

[AV1611VET]

And how does that mean adaptation is not macroevolution?

Because macroevolution involves a new genus?

 

[gipsy]

I decry the incorrect application of it leading to a false teaching.Its almost like you want it to be true.I know atheists want it to be true.

I will never understand, why some of you believe that evolution has anything to do with atheism. Why should I want evolution to be true?
Being an atheist has nothing to do with evolution, or even your sacred god, it's just an absence of believe in deities ...

 

[tanzanos]

The difference is we can accept a flu vaccination without having to believe we came from Tarzan's pet.

No you cannot. Just like the operands = - + / *, they all have a specific operation. thus for example you cannot say:

1+1= 2 while in another occasion say 1+2=34. You have to specify in detail why the operand gives the second result by explaining in which base it is used. Whichever the case; The operand + always adds.

The rules are the same and thus the results follow the rules. What you say is tantamount to changing the rules to suit your purpose. Well I have news for you; Science is not about feeling good or bad. It is not about personal purpose but a tool. A tool that helps us understand and gain knowledge and thus create the means to better our lives. In Science there is no bible, for science evolves and welcomes change whereas religions do not evolve and do not welcome change.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Originally Posted by interested in life

Thanks i noted.Why corrected for body size?And hold on this seems to go against evolution seeing as smaller primates have a larger cranium to body ratio than humans do.​

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my eyes.could be wrong,but pretty sure once again an average chimp would have 800cc and be only 3 ft tall.Which once again doesnt match up.

I don't know what the ratio of body size to cranial capacity is in small primates and it has already been pointed out that cranial capacity is far from being the only determinate of intellegence but I am wondering where this 800 CC number comes from.

Here are some numbers on cranial capacity. The average male chimp is about 4 feet tall and weighs about 130 lbs though they can be much heavier so the ratio of cranial capacity to body size in humans is much higher than in Orangutans, Chimps or Gorillas.

Cranial capacity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• Orangutans: 275–500 cc
• Chimpanzees: 275–500 cc
• Gorillas: 340–752 cc
• Humans: 1200–1850 cc

 

[AV1611VET]

No you cannot.

Yes, I can.

Just like the operands = - + / *, they all have a specific operation.

Okay.

thus for example you cannot say:

1+1= 2 while in another occasion say 1+2=34

Bet me.

1 + 1 + 1 = 1 where God is concerned -- right?

Ever heard of the Trinity?

The rules are the same and thus the results follow the rules.

Your calculator can take a hike.

What you say is tantamount to changing the rules to suit your purpose.

For crying out loud -- I'm going in for a flu shot.

Can't I get a flu shot without having to champion the doctrine of evolution?

Well I have news for you; Science is not about feeling good or bad.

If I'm going in for a flu shot, I'm feeling bad.

It is not about personal purpose but a tool.

Ya -- a needle and a credit card.

A tool that helps us understand and gain knowledge and thus create the means to better our lives.

You got all that -- from a flu shot?

In Science there is no bible, for science evolves and welcomes change whereas religions do not evolve and do not welcome change.

Religions aren't supposed to evolve and welcome change, are they?

 

[tanzanos]

Yes, I can.

Okay.

Bet me.

1 + 1 + 1 = 1 where God is concerned -- right?

Ever heard of the Trinity?

Your calculator can take a hike.

For crying out loud -- I'm going in for a flu shot.

Can't I get a flu shot without having to champion the doctrine of evolution?

If I'm going in for a flu shot, I'm feeling bad.

Ya -- a needle and a credit card.

You got all that -- from a flu shot?

Religions aren't supposed to evolve and welcome change, are they?

By going for a FLU shot you are actually accepting the ToE! It is that simple AV. Nothing more. If you dismiss the ToE then just stay home and pray you do not get ill.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Religions aren't supposed to evolve and welcome change, are they?

They're apparently not supposed to. But they do. Look at how far Christianity has evolved. So much so that there are countless different forms (dare I say species) of Christianity each professing to be the only authentic form.
Take the Catholic Church for example. Eventually they were forced to embrace change in the sense that they eventually came to acknowledge the heliocentric or Copernican model as true and the geocentric (formerly Church doctrine) model as false. And boy was that a source of embarrassment.

 

[AV1611VET]

By going for a FLU shot you are actually accepting the ToE!

That's what you'd like to think, isn't it?

It is that simple AV. Nothing more. If you dismiss the ToE then just stay home and pray you do not get ill.

I'll stay home and pray I do not get ill whether I dismiss the ToE or not -- how's that?

 

[AV1611VET]

They're apparently not supposed to. But they do. Look at how far Christianity has evolved. So much so that there are countless different forms (dare I say species) of Christianity each professing to be the only authentic form.
Take the Catholic Church for example. Eventually they were forced to embrace change in the sense that they eventually came to acknowledge the heliocentric or Copernican model as true and the geocentric (formerly Church doctrine) model as false. And boy was that a source of embarrassment.

I'm not even going to get into heliocentrism and the Catholic church here.

I pwned that in another thread, and don't feel like doing it again for awhile.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I think you have the wrong idea regarding our differences.I believe evolutionists are largely correct,there is strong evidence regarding common descent,however for people like me thats because about 4500 years ago a man took a whole bunch of animals on a vessel(for conservation purposes)and all life came from these selected animals.

This in no way explains the evidence for common descent and is of course totally falsified by the great biodiversity of many species. All unclean species should a show severe recent bottleneck and do not. In fact this problem is even worse than a bottleneck to 2 or in some cases maybe 6 individuals of a single species, there should be a bottleneck to two or six individuals of a given "kind" whatever that is and it should be there in all land dwelling species only 4,500 years ago. Unclean "kinds" should have been reduced to having only 4 alleles of each gene for each "kind". There is absolutely no genetic evidence of such bottlenecks and the great genetic diversity in many species falsifies this myth beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Of course the idea that the ancestor of all animals on earth came off a boat in the Middle East a few thousand years ago is also falisfied by biogeography
http://www.christianforums.com/t155813/

paleontology, geology, archeology, meteorology and ever other branch of science with relevant results.
http://www.christianforums.com/t95378/

Theres no malice intended,but i believe you guys are misled.

I think is pretty clear who is mislead. Anyone who believes there is actually any evidence for a young earth and global flood and fails to acknowledge the massive evidence for evolution and against the young earth and global flood is mislead or misleading themselves.

 

[tanzanos]

I'm not even going to get into heliocentrism and the Catholic church here.

I pwned that in another thread, and don't feel like doing it again for awhile.

You pwned a fellow Christian institution? My my AV! Perhaps you should lay down your sword before you chop someone's ear off

 

[AV1611VET]

You pwned a fellow Christian institution?

Watch it now!

We're separatists!

 

[sandwiches]

Yet it remains a virus.This isnt the type of evolution you believe i though no?Evolution according to you has to have much greater jumps than one virus mutating into another.You keep showing me examples of each according to its kind.Im frankly grateful you have decided to promote the truth.

You're right! New species remain what their ancestors were! That's why humans are still apes. I see you have finally decided to start embracing empirical evidence of common descent instead of baseless mythology.