Science & the Bible

[kharisym]

In a lot of my threads, I set the rule that bible quotes mean nothing to me, and therefore shouldn't be used as proof of points. I sometimes get flak for this, which is then promptly followed by bible quotes.

Many Christians also feel that the bible is an accurate source of knowledge and information, and some even believe that scientific thought should be defined in terms of the bible.

So, I ask you all, what proof is there that the bible is a source of information for anything other than historians? Sure, we can gleam information about past cultures from the bible, but that doesn't make it a definitive source on cosmology or biology.

 

[keith99]

Funny thing is as far as I can see Scripture makes no claim to be the a source for science. It makes no claim to cover all of history (it of course covers a lot of the history of the Jews). As far as I know no such claims are made by early church leaders of note.

Hmm now that I think about it all the passages I can rememebr where it speaks about points of science the particular points mentioned are not used to instruct on those points, but instead well known (for the people of the time) facts are used to illustrate spitual points.

 

[AV1611VET]

Many Christians also feel that the bible is an accurate source of knowledge and information, and some even believe that scientific thought should be defined in terms of the bible.

Using the Bible as a science book is like using Bill Gate's diary as a computer manual.

I don't use the Bible for science, but I do use It to judge science.

The opposite -- where those use science to judge the Bible is, in my opinion, a religion called scientism, which see.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Using the Bible as a science book is like using Bill Gate's diary as a computer manual.

I don't use the Bible for science, but I do use It to judge science.

The opposite -- where those use science to judge the Bible is, in my opinion, a religion called scientism, which see.

So, the Bible is adequate for judging science, but science is inadequate for judging the Bible?

 

[AV1611VET]

So, the Bible is adequate for judging science, but science is inadequate for judging the Bible?

Absolutely, since the Bible deals with a higher form of knowledge (Truth) that science cannot attain.

The Bible is a series of statements from our omniscient Creator, and omniscience is something science cannot begin to touch.

 

[jpcedotal]

Using the Bible as a science book is like using Bill Gate's diary as a computer manual.

I don't use the Bible for science, but I do use It to judge science.

The opposite -- where those use science to judge the Bible is, in my opinion, a religion called scientism, which see.

Amen...

 

[jpcedotal]

Absolutely, since the Bible deals with a higher form of knowledge (Truth) that science cannot attain.

The Bible is a series of statements from our omniscient Creator, and omniscience is something science cannot begin to touch.

The Bible is the Truth and science is the observation of this Truth. So when science veers from this course as observation, then it becomes religion, a false religion.

 

[Hespera]

Amen...

.........

 

[jpcedotal]

oh my, quote from the bible to confirm the bible?

Would "That's right my brother" be better for ya?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Absolutely, since the Bible deals with a higher form of knowledge (Truth) that science cannot attain.

The Bible is a series of statements from our omniscient Creator, and omniscience is something science cannot begin to touch.

And yet, the Bible contains not one piece of information that could not have been written by men with contemporary knowledge. Not one iota, zip, nada, zilch. To suggest that the Bible is omniscient, would be to suggest that cotton candy contains all daily nutritional requirements.
You in no way have refuted my initial statement.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible is the Truth and science is the observation of this Truth. So when science veers from this course as observation, then it becomes religion, a false religion.

Very well put! and I couldn't agree more, bro!

 

[Hespera]

The Bible is the Truth and science is the observation of this Truth. So when science veers from this course as observation, then it becomes religion, a false religion.

We continue to be puzzled by this tendency for the religious to confuse religion and faith with atheism and science. All religions are false, of course, or is it 99.999999999% and our heros of the faith all just got lucky, all of them in every religion found that .0000etc that was the one true faith?

We find a lot of good stuff in the bible, some boring stuff, some that is really weird, and some that is really bad advice that nobody would follow.

We see truths of various kinds, and we see a lot of fables. Tower of Babel, and the 'flood" among them.

Science, especially in say, japan or China, doesnt "veer' from the bible,

Couldnt care less what the bible says. if they find something, and the bible had mentioned it, fine.

When it is found that, for example, that there is over a hundred thousand years of ice on Greenland, well, that is what is there. Like Australia is over there, Mt Everest is this high, water freezes at this temperature. That is how it is. Completely disconnected and unconcerned with what the bible or koran or any other old book says.


If someone chooses to interpret the bible as sayng the world is only 6000 uyrs old or that there really was a flood, ok go for it. Science doesnt "veer' to suit you, me, the bible, or anyone else.

IF there is a god, and he gave a flyin' about what anyone thinks, id think he'd find it perhaps a bit annoying that anyone would have the arrogance to look at an old book decide on his own what it means, and then look at the works around him. The works made by this same god; they show all this ice, they show water freezes at 32 degrees but our hero will say, NOPE!

I, me, my egotistical self know better than all of science, and i know better than all the earth. God, I know how you did this, and that is that.

i'd be too mischevious to be god. i'd send a lightning bolt to scorch his rear end just enough that he wont even hear the loud bang.

Now who knows best, or do you want to look around and see what you think, first?

 

[AV1611VET]

And yet, the Bible contains not one piece of information that could not have been written by men with contemporary knowledge.

So did everyone and their neighbors know back then that the universe was expanding?

Did everyone and their neighbor know that the Pleiades had seven stars, instead of six?

 

[Hespera]

Would "That's right my brother" be better for ya?

now, i deleted that coz I wanted to be nice.
guess i wasnt quick enough

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

So did everyone and their neighbors know back then that the universe was expanding?

Did everyone and their neighbor know that the Pleiades had seven stars, instead of six?

No, which is why it is not mentioned in the Bible.

 

[jpcedotal]

now, i deleted that coz I wanted to be nice.
guess i wasnt quick enough

Apology accepted...no biggie, I was makin a joke, that's all

 

[AV1611VET]

And yet, the Bible contains not one piece of information that could not have been written by men with contemporary knowledge. Not one iota, zip, nada, zilch. To suggest that the Bible is omniscient, would be to suggest that cotton candy contains all daily nutritional requirements.

So did everyone and their neighbors know back then that the universe was expanding?

Did everyone and their neighbor know that the Pleiades had seven stars, instead of six?

No, which is why it is not mentioned in the Bible.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Actually, everyone and their neighbor did know about the Pleiades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleiades_(star_cluster)

That picture is apropos indeed.

 

[Hespera]

Apology accepted...no biggie, I was makin a joke, that's all

hi jc, didnt see you around for a while.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, everyone and their neighbor did know about the Pleiades.

I said did they know the Pleiades had seven stars, instead of six?

Did everyone and their neighbor know that the Pleiades had seven stars, instead of six?

Here are two examples:

The Pleiades (Krittika) are particularly revered in Hindu mythology as the six mothers of the war god Skanda, who developed six faces, one for each of them. Some scholars of Islam suggested that the Pleiades (Al thuraiya) are the Star in Najm which is mentioned in the Quran.

Japan - the Pleiades are known as Subaru, and have given their name to the car manufacturer whose logo incorporates six stars.