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I very much do care about what the evidence is, that I disagree with your interpretation is what is at issue.
Please do not make the false argument that Dawkins makes, that the debates are between "science" and "religion".
THIS JUST IN! CHRISTIAN PERSECUTED IN DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY WHICH IS 80% CHRISTIAN! You know, I'm starting to think that having "you will be persecuted" as a core tenet of a society's religion might have some rather awful consequences for that society when they rise to power and have essentially complete control of the country. For example, they might take any pronouncement speaking out against religious privilege in an ostensibly secular country as evidence of persecution, and then make some extras up when they can't find enough of that.
Nobody is stopping you from praying in public (although your own bible might). The WBC is allowed to do what they want wherever and soapbox, street-corner preachers are all over the place. I have no idea where you got this idea that you needed to pray privately. Other than like, I dunno, Mark 6:6.
Nobody is stopping you from attending the church of your choosing, and nobody is forcing churches to marry homosexuals. This didn't happen when interracial marriage became legal and it hasn't happened now. I don't know where you got the idea that churches are being forced to do this.
Where did you even hear that you can't take a bible into study hall? Of course you can! You do realize "no prayer in school" was a lie, right? You can pray in school as much as you want so long as you aren't disrupting the class. The only thing O'Hair accomplished was that the school could not force prayer onto the students. That's it. You're free to pray as much as you want in school! They don't even consider asking the all-powerful god of the bible for help on your test to be cheating!
Stop trying to invent persecution where there is none. You have no idea how privileged being a Christian in the United States of America makes you. You never have to worry about being the wrong religion. You almost never have to worry about your community disowning you because you found Jesus. You don't have to worry that people will say, "Wait, Deceived's kids are Christian? I can't have my kids hanging around that!" Your family probably isn't going to say, "Man, we have got to do something about Deceived; she's bringing up her kids without them knowing that the bible is wrong!" There are all things that atheists have to deal with on a near-constant basis in many parts of the country. My demographic is less trusted than rapists. You want to worry about persecution? Why? Because you don't have complete control of the government?!
All this talk of Christian persecution in the USA is like having to listen to a straight guy complain because he has to watch two men holding hands in the street. You have no idea how well-off you are as a Christian in America. No other country will go so far to accommodate you for your beliefs, at least not without asking for proof.
koonin isn't the only one, dennis noble and fransico ayala are among the others that do.I give Koonin +1 for having the cojones to challenge Darwin, that is a step in the right direction.
are you sure you want to go this route?Dear moderators, can we please get a statement? Is Whois not allowed to bring up Koonin because "it's forbidden to put evolution in a bad light like that"? On a forum full to the brim with threads claiming to debunk it?
are you sure you want to go this route?
i have the PMs, and can post them if i get the clearance from the moderator that sent them.
koonin isn't the only one, dennis noble and fransico ayala are among the others that do.
www.huffingtonpost.com/suzan-mazur/replace-the-modern-sythes_b_5284211.html
who said i was?I have the quotes from Koonin clearly stating that he accepts the Tree of Life concept for eukaryotes. Why do you keep ignoring that?
i'm sure noble has an email address, ask him.Once again, we get a secondary source. Will you be citing any primary sources?
who said i was?
ross and oakley has this to say:
At least three processes complicate such a view of a tree of life,
. . .
Even systematics has had to abandon many strictures that were part of the Modern Synthesis. If species are the durable unit of biology, and if natural selection quickly molds genes to current utility, then most genes should diverge at the time of speciation events, given views like Mayr's.
Here again, analyses of newly abundant sequence data in the late 20th Century showed that rather than a highly congruent coalescence of genes at the times of speciation events, the coalescence times of alleles among species are highly variable. As such, species trees and gene trees often cannot be equated
also, HGT plays an important role in vertabrate evolution, see upload.
if you want to believe noble lied his butt off in the piece i uploaded then be my guest.Why don't you quote Noble's own writing?
Let me give you an example. The Establishment of religion clause was designed to protect Religion from the Government. Yet the Supreme court interferes with our freedom of religion all the time. The ban prayer in school, they ban a open public display of the 10 commandment and other similar issues.Hey, whatever floats your boat.
Quick question though; you claim the supreme court has made tissue paper of the constitution. Since the constitution is a legal document, could you please give your legal argument, as to how you conclude what you do?
Also, how would you fix this problem of the supreme court making tissue paper of the constitution?
Let me give you an example. The Establishment of religion clause was designed to protect Religion from the Government. Yet the Supreme court interferes with our freedom of religion all the time. The ban prayer in school, they ban a open public display of the 10 commandment and other similar issues.
Even their is a problem with the constitution if they did follow it. This all represents man and man's law. Soon Jesus will return and for 1000 years the government shall be upon His shoulder. So God will once again be in control and it will no longer be man trying to run the show. I do not question that man wants to get it right, but only God is able to get the job done.
if you want to believe noble lied his butt off in the piece i uploaded then be my guest.
you really need to ask the authors these questions, not me.
if you want to believe them fine, if not, then, well fine.
i find it it exceedingly hilarious that educated men like noble all of a sudden become walking morons when it comes to being outspoken about darwinism.
you know what the REALLY funny thing is?
i stand a chance of getting BANNED for posting some of this stuff.
there's your objectiveness for you.
it wasn't stated as such in the PMs, no.Wasn't the ban warning due to copyright infringement? Therefore, copy/paste of an entire article without permission. There is nothing wrong with presenting a specific quote from any written source so long as you provide proper citation.
Could be, as it turns out I did not take the Problems of Democracy class in High School and that is why I was not qualified to graduate. My son just took the class in two weeks this summer. He had to read two chapters a day. So now he is qualified to go to college at 17 and I was not qualified to go until I was 19. My wife actually started college at 15 but that is another story.It would appear, you need to educate yourself on the constitution just a bit.
are you sure you want to go this route?
i have the PMs, and can post them if i get the clearance from the moderator that sent them.
it wasn't a ban/warning.Wasn't the ban warning due to copyright infringement?
like i said, i have the PMs.Yes, I'm suuuuuure that you're not allowed to post about Koonin on ChristianForums, a Christian ministry with a whole bunch of YECs, because it paints evolution in a bad light. Unlike, I dunno, these threads:
it wasn't stated as such in the PMs, no.
i DID provide the proper citation, i even uploaded the entire article.
i did find out later that it was a "pay for" article from NCBI.
i was expressly forbidden to quote a certain author.
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