Science is fascinating!

[Astrid]

It does? What part of the scientific process or the ontology of science makes it dependent on a Christian world view?



It is possible for a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Hindu or a pagan to be a scientist and not depend on a Christian world view to carry out their scientific enterprises?

Similarly, was it possible for people that had no conception of the Christian god (ancient Greeks, Mesopotamians, Romans and Chinese, for instance) to carry out investigation under scientific principles



Given that science operates under a paradigm of methodological neutralism, I'll bastardize LaPlace and state that the sciences simply have no need of God as a hypothesis.

I've been wondering too.

 

[Tolworth John]

The claimed need for Christianity is nowhere to be seen.

Neither I nor any aspect of science attacks Christianity.

Please explain why science works?
Why is the universe/creation consitent and explainable through maths?

Why is it that if there is a contradiction between the bible/christian belief and science that it is always the bible/christian belief that has to change?

 

[Tolworth John]

What part of the scientific process or the ontology of science makes it dependent on a Christian world view?

That the universe is consistent.

t is possible for a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Hindu or a pagan to be a scientist and not depend on a Christian world view to carry out their scientific enterprises?

Similarly, was it possible for people that had no conception of the Christian god (ancient Greeks, Mesopotamians, Romans and Chinese, for instance) to carry out investigation under scientific principles

Todays scientist have learn a scientfic method from the west, there sciencetific methods are not based on there beliefs.

Study the history of science and of those nations.
They all made advances, discoveries, but they all run out of steam as there belief systems did not, do not encurgae investigation into nature.

 

[driewerf]

Reading these threads has made me come to a conclusion.

Science is fascinating!

Anyway to learn more about it since I am in my late 20s and will not be going back to school (most likely). Any resources or recommendations?

I posted earlier a link to the Youtube Crash Course biology. Now, I don't know what your current level or understanding is, how much effort you want to put in it etc. Here is a link to free on line textbooks and other material:
this page is dedicated o biology: Home
Their general page is LibreTexts - Free The Textbook
I hope you find something that suits you. Happy learning.

 

[Astrid]

Please explain why science works?
Why is the universe/creation consitent and explainable through maths?

Why is it that if there is a contradiction between the bible/christian belief and science that it is always the bible/christian belief that has to change?

Never mind.

 

[Tolworth John]

Never mind.

Why nevermind ?

The questions I've asked are basic, not highly intellectual, so you should be able to answer them with rational arguments.

That or your beliefs are irrational and not scientfic, but faith based.

 

[AV1611VET]

The questions I've asked are basic, not highly intellectual, so you should be able to answer them with rational arguments.

I notice that a lot of people, while railing against A, B, and C, don't know the difference about what they're railing against.

Or they wouldn't know something if they saw it themselves.

 

[sjastro]

Please explain why science works?
Why is the universe/creation consitent and explainable through maths?

As a mathematician this is news to me.
Ironically we use maths to determine when the universe is smaller than its Planck length, the maths and the resultant physics breaks down.

 

[Gene2memE]

That the universe is consistent.

That doesn't require a Christian worldview. Given that Christianity requires miraculous events to have occurred - which are conventionally considered unable to be caused or explained by natural means - a Christian worldview requires a non-consistent universe.

You can't guarantee that God - or any other supernatural entity - is constantly interfering in the operation of the universe.

Todays scientist have learn a scientfic method from the west, there sciencetific methods are not based on there beliefs.

The scientific method (actually methods, as there's really not a singular one) developed in the West (mostly), but it didn't require a Christian worldview. Nothing about a secular, deistic, Judaic, pantheistic or even paganistic worldview precludes the development of the scientific method.

Study the history of science and of those nations.

They all made advances, discoveries, but they all run out of steam as there belief systems did not, do not encurgae investigation into nature.

They continued to make advances - the idea that non-Western cultures were in some form of developmental stagnation is a bad historical meme that should have been done away with decades ago, but refuses to die.

What they didn't have was a Western style industrial revolution. Their technological development was incremental and evolutionary. So it was overtaken by the more rapidly developing west.

What they lacked were a combination of necessary pre-requisites, including (but not limited too): (very non-Christian) Enlightenment values; early modes of capitalism, with changes in financial institutions (particularly attitudes around lending behaviour); a wealth surplus generated by a combination of foreign colonies and trade; easy access to cheap energy (coal); strong internal transportation networks; multi-generational periods of (domestic) peace, combined with constant external threats; representative government with enforcement of private property rights.

The topic of my masters degree was the development of trade lanes by the Royal Navy during the 1700-1900 period and how these were changed by the introduction of coal. This is something that I studied for literally years.

 

[sjastro]

While the scientific method had it roots in ancient Greece with the likes of Aristotle, Islamic polymaths such as Ibn al-Haytham were employing the scientific method centuries before it was used in Western Europe.

 

[RileyG]

I posted earlier a link to the Youtube Crash Course biology. Now, I don't know what your current level or understanding is, how much effort you want to put in it etc. Here is a link to free on line textbooks and other material:
this page is dedicated o biology: Home
Their general page is LibreTexts - Free The Textbook
I hope you find something that suits you. Happy learning.

thanks

 

[Kylie]

Science depends on a Christian world view, without which would be unable to function...

Could you please elaborate on this?

 

[Tolworth John]

That doesn't require a Christian worldview.

Actually it does, try applying a hindu, or buddhist or islamic world view to the world/universe and you will quickly be brought up unable to proceed.

Only the JudeoChristian world view enables scientist to investigate a consistent universe where what we call laws work.

 

[Tolworth John]

Could you please elaborate on this?

Can you explain why in a universe thsat according to atheists is the product of random events, that maths enable a rocket to strike an asterode far out in our solar system.

If chaos was the ruling force this would have been impossible.

Instead the univers is consistent, maths work here on earth as well as far out in space, chemistry does the same.

Whyis this?

Clearly it is not the result of random forces, but the result of a designed creation.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Actually it does, try applying a hindu, or buddhist or islamic world view to the world/universe and you will quickly be brought up unable to proceed.

Only the JudeoChristian world view enables scientist to investigate a consistent universe where what we call laws work.

None of those worldviews are useful in doing science to understand the natural world and all of the universe. The best you can hope for is for your religious beliefs not to get in the way.

The supernatural elements of religions are absent from science and do not help in the least.

 

[AV1611VET]

The supernatural elements of religions are absent from science and do not help in the least.

Then science can take a hike.

 

[Kylie]

Can you explain why in a universe thsat according to atheists is the product of random events, that maths enable a rocket to strike an asterode far out in our solar system.

If chaos was the ruling force this would have been impossible.

Instead the univers is consistent, maths work here on earth as well as far out in space, chemistry does the same.

Whyis this?

Clearly it is not the result of random forces, but the result of a designed creation.

False dichotomy. You seem to think that everything must be completely random OR everything must be completely deterministic.

 

[Gene2memE]

Actually it does, try applying a hindu, or buddhist or islamic world view to the world/universe and you will quickly be brought up unable to proceed.

You'll need to elaborate, because there are atheistic versions of Hinduism and Buddhism at are philosophically naturalistic, and I se no fundamental differences in ontology between the monotheistic traditions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Only the JudeoChristian world view enables scientist to investigate a consistent universe where what we call laws work.

Laws, in scientific terms, are just statements about the natural world supported by repeated observation.

Only the JudeoChristian world view enables scientist to investigate a consistent universe where what we call laws work.

For a claim to be accepted as valid, you need to demonstrate its validity. In this case, you'd need to demonstrate that all other worldviews outside of a JudeoChristian one are incapable of enabling a scientist to investigate a consistent universe.

Given pre-Christian cultures and those with minimal contact with monotheistic religions (Song China, for instance) have demonstrably produced rigorous investigation into the nature of reality, I reject your claim.

 

[Tolworth John]

None of those worldviews are useful in doing science to understand the natural world and all of the universe. The best you can hope for is for your religious beliefs not to get in the way.

The supernatural elements of religions are absent from science and do not help in the least.

Except fot the blind unreasoning faith that the universe just came into being with laws of science that work.

 

[Tolworth John]

False dichotomy. You seem to think that everything must be completely random OR everything must be completely deterministic.

Yet you have not answered how the universe came into being or how it is that maths and science/engineering work?