Science Denial

[AV1611VET]

The Science Channel had a saying in their ads, "Question everything".

Genesis 3:1 Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

 

[Ygrene Imref]

The Science Channel had a saying in their ads, "Question everything". And frankly that is how science works. However, the important thing is to not misinterpret saying. It does not mean deny anything. It means question, learn, and understand. When problems and/or errors occur, recognize them and fix them.

Just deny what is acceptable to deny - despite credentials or expertise?

Well, I am likely completely wrong about that anyway.

 

[RickG]

It's too bad science has to stick its clipboard into politics; but after all, they've been doing it to our morals for decades.

Actually it is the opposite. The science is solid and has been presented to the politicians, its in their hands. What I have to ask is why is it that the Republicans only have people from the denial side to testify before the science committee? That's a huge conflict of interest. They should be looking at the mainstream science instead of catering to those who contribute huge amounts of money to their re-election campaigns?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

The graph you previously posted was showing Milankovitch Cycles. The cycles have three different constituents; Earth's eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of its orbit. What they affect is the amount of solar radiation received by the sun. Thus, there are cycles that cause the earth to warm and cycles to cause the earth to cool. The initial warming is due to the cycle. As the earth warms, glaciation melts releasing CO2 and CH4. As more ice melts more greenhouse gases are released which help accelerate the warming. Additional warming causes more ice to melt and so on. This process takes thousands of years and even in this natural process, the CO2 level still only tops out at 280 ppmv, which is what we had at the beginning of the industrial revolution. The current Milankovitch Cycle is now in a cooling trend, yet we are warming at a rate much faster than any of those cycles in the warming trend have ever shown in the Vostok ice cores.


CO2 is not an insulator. CO2 constantly absorbs IR radiation and re-emits it continuously.

You aren't ready to accept the truth, I know this from previous conversations we have had, even though it is there waiting for you to finally accept it for what it is.

NASA Spacecraft Make New Discoveries about Northern Lights | Science Mission Directorate

Magnetic Portals Connect Earth to the Sun | Science Mission Directorate

Scientists discover surprise in Earth's upper atmosphere

""It's like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research."

But you are still in denial of the science, so there's not much that can be done to help your understanding at this point.

 

[Goonie]

You aren't ready to accept the truth, I know this from previous conversations we have had, even though it is there waiting for you to finally accept it for what it is.

NASA Spacecraft Make New Discoveries about Northern Lights | Science Mission Directorate

Magnetic Portals Connect Earth to the Sun | Science Mission Directorate

Scientists discover surprise in Earth's upper atmosphere

""It's like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research."

But you are still in denial of the science, so there's not much that can be done to help your understanding at this point.

rickG has given you the actual science. The only denial present is on your part.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

rickG has given you the actual science. The only denial present is on your part.

He's given .01% of the equation while he ignores the other 99.99%, just like you do. You don't even understand or even read the above links, so of course you deny the science as well, and yourself are not ready to understand.

 

[Goonie]

He's given .01% of the equation while he ignores the other 99.99%, just like you do. You don't even understand or even read the above links, so of course you deny the science as well, and yourself are not ready to understand.

Lol! And neither do you. Now what do climate scientists say?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Lol! And neither do you. Now what do climate scientists say?

Since they don't understand that the vast amount of energy pouring into the earth has nothing to do with irradiance, they are as much in the dark as you. The plasma scientists at NASA are beginning to understand, but it will be years before they finally admit to the full truth.

But first we have to get you all to quit denying your own science. Electromagnetics 101: where there is a magnetic field there is what?

Perhaps when you finally accept what causes all magnetic fields, you might be ready to accept the truth, until then you are in denial and can't be helped.

Magnetic field - Wikipedia

Origin of Permanent Magnetism

Even though your own science will tell you, you will fail to understand and revolt against the truth.

 

[Goonie]

Since they don't understand that the vast amount of energy pouring into the earth has nothing to do with irradiance, they are as much in the dark as you. The plasma scientists at NASA are beginning to understand, but it will be years before they finally admit to the full truth.

But first we have to get you all to quit denying your own science. Electromagnetics 101: where there is a magnetic field there is what?

Perhaps when you finally accept what causes all magnetic fields, you might be ready to accept the truth, until then you are in denial and can't be helped.

Magnetic field - Wikipedia

Origin of Permanent Magnetism

Even though your own science will tell you, you will fail to understand and revolt against the truth.

That's nice. Now let's look at the science. Done that. Anthropogenic climate change is real.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

That's nice. Now let's look at the science. Done that. Anthropogenic climate change is real.

Again, no one is denying climate change. It started 25,000 years ago. Has happened every 125,000 years. The only deniers are those that pretend man had anything to do with this cycle anymore than he had to do with any of the others.

For some reason science deniers equate not accepting the PR that man caused global warming means we don't believe in global warming. Although I am not the one ignoring the global warming started 25,000 years ago and happens every 125,000 years.

 

[Goonie]

Again, no one is denying climate change. It started 25,000 years ago. Has happened every 125,000 years. The only deniers are those that pretend man had anything to do with this cycle anymore than he had to do with any of the others.

For some reason science deniers equate not accepting the PR that man caused global warming means we don't believe in global warming. Although I am not the one ignoring the global warming started 25,000 years ago and happens every 125,000 years.

It is not pr. the science is that anthropogenic climate change is a reality. I'm quite happy to say this with the backing of every major climate science dept at every major university on earth.

Climate science is not ignoring the natural processes. Sadly all evidence is that man is contributing to the warming of the earth through industrialisation and destruction of the environment.

 

[sjastro]

You aren't ready to accept the truth, I know this from previous conversations we have had, even though it is there waiting for you to finally accept it for what it is.

NASA Spacecraft Make New Discoveries about Northern Lights | Science Mission Directorate

Magnetic Portals Connect Earth to the Sun | Science Mission Directorate

Scientists discover surprise in Earth's upper atmosphere

""It's like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research."

But you are still in denial of the science, so there's not much that can be done to help your understanding at this point.

Trying to tie in this mechanism with global warming is even more ridiculous than your “CO2 is a thermal insulator” nonsense.

I hope you are not confusing the Earth’s magnetosphere with the troposphere as the article relates to what is occurring in the upper atmosphere.
Just in case you didn’t know the particle number density in the magnetosphere is similar to what is found in ultra high laboratory vacuums.
Climate models don’t apply to vacuums.

If you are suggesting the upper atmosphere is warming the troposphere then it must be warming everything in between including the lower stratosphere.
As I showed in this post, even when one removes the effects of ozone, the lower stratosphere is still cooling which is a signature for AGW.

Hence your “99.99% caused by plasma” nonsense is refuted by the evidence.

 

[RickG]

You aren't ready to accept the truth, I know this from previous conversations we have had, even though it is there waiting for you to finally accept it for what it is.

NASA Spacecraft Make New Discoveries about Northern Lights | Science Mission Directorate

Magnetic Portals Connect Earth to the Sun | Science Mission Directorate

Scientists discover surprise in Earth's upper atmosphere

""It's like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research."

But you are still in denial of the science, so there's not much that can be done to help your understanding at this point.

Well, after sourcing the three links, reading them and analyzing what they are describing I know the TRUTH.

The first two are from NASA and have nothing to do with global warming. In fact NASA is very adamant about the current warming trend being attributed to anthropogenic sources, specifically CO2 from fossil fuels. The last one is about the magnetosphere. The magnetosphere is not the atmosphere, its a magnetic field well outside the atmosphere. The quote saying, "It's like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun", is is nothing more than an analogy. It is not saying it is heating the earth nor does it imply that it is the cause of the current global warming.

Here's a link I suggest to help understand the what the global scientific community knows about global warming, its causes, and its effects.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

 

[RickG]

Since they don't understand that the vast amount of energy pouring into the earth has nothing to do with irradiance, they are as much in the dark as you. The plasma scientists at NASA are beginning to understand, but it will be years before they finally admit to the full truth.

But first we have to get you all to quit denying your own science. Electromagnetics 101: where there is a magnetic field there is what?

Perhaps when you finally accept what causes all magnetic fields, you might be ready to accept the truth, until then you are in denial and can't be helped.

Magnetic field - Wikipedia

Origin of Permanent Magnetism

Even though your own science will tell you, you will fail to understand and revolt against the truth.

NASA has satellites whose sole purpose is to monitor and analyze the sun and the magnetosphere.

"How do we know that changes in the sun aren’t to blame for current global warming trends?

Since 1978, a series of satellite instruments have measured the energy output of the sun directly. The satellite data show a very slight drop in solar irradiance (which is a measure of the amount of energy the sun gives off) over this time period. So the sun doesn't appear to be responsible for the warming trend observed over the past several decades.


Longer-term estimates of solar irradiance have been made using sunspot records and other so-called “proxy indicators,” such as the amount of carbon in tree rings. The most recent analyses of these proxies indicate that solar irradiance changes cannot plausibly account for more than 10 percent of the 20th century’s warming."
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Source: https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

 

[AV1611VET]

The first two are from NASA and have nothing to do with global warming.

All this global warming invention is doing is getting our minds off of prophecy and on to science; so that when Jesus comes, people won't be prepared for it, thinking that all these earthquakes and storms and whatnot are due to natural phenomena, and not realizing it is Bible prophecy being fulfilled right before their eyes.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

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[RickG]

All this global warming invention is doing is getting our minds off of prophecy and on to science; so that when Jesus comes, people won't be prepared for it, thinking that all these earthquakes and storms and whatnot are due to natural phenomena, and not realizing it is Bible prophecy being fulfilled right before their eyes.

Perhaps, but the important thing to keep in mind is:

Matthew 24:36 or,
Mark 13:32 or,
Luke 10:22, meanwhile,

back to the topic of the thread,

 

[Justatruthseeker]

It is not pr. the science is that anthropogenic climate change is a reality. I'm quite happy to say this with the backing of every major climate science dept at every major university on earth.

Climate science is not ignoring the natural processes. Sadly all evidence is that man is contributing to the warming of the earth through industrialisation and destruction of the environment.

Climate science is ignoring the data. Your Co2 has kept pace with temperature changes for as far back as we can detect. Now the temperatures are no higher this cycle than they have been in the past. Actually this cycle is lower than any of the others.

So despite your claim Co2 is adding to the warming, none of the data backs this claim. In fact the data shows this cycle is cooler than any of the past cycles where the Co2 was in line with temperatures.

Enough of the PR. We have already discovered that only 97% of 32% believe in manmade climate change. Of course those universities are going to say whatever needs said, as are the scientists to get their cut of the billions given away by the government for climate research.

And if they ever stop rigging the data, you might end up seeing the true temperatures.

Stats Tampering Puts NOAA in Hot Water

"NOAA’s adjustments to previous ocean temperatures between 1998 and 2012 made recent global temperature changes appear more than twice warmer than the original records showed. "

Bad enough they hand pick the data, but then have to change past records to get the data to match their fake claims. Sad, sad, sad. And these are the people you rely on for your information, cheaters and liars one and all.

 

[PsychoSarah]

An ice core and fossil analysis is data incorporated for the purposes of making reasonable extrapolations, assumptiojs, postulates and axioms for the model.

It is not a snapshot in the past, because the dating method has error, and you are still extrapolating data from time-dependent data for which your location is not t=ti, the incident time interval.

You can model it, but it won't be accurate. It is at best an approximation.

And how is the dating method so flawed as to throw everything out of the window? Empty claims make for boring debates.

Furthermore, chemistry doesn't change over time, and there are working models that show that high CO2 in an atmosphere traps heat and warms the area.

Swine flu was not an end of the world apocalyptic event - which is why YOU and I knew about it in the first place.

Your argument against end of the world events getting spoken about is how people would panic. However, why would it even matter if people panic when everyone is about to die or a large portion of people will? What is to actually be gained in not warning people and giving them the opportunity to prepare? Yet, when I compare this line of thinking to an event that WON'T end the world or kill tons of people, such as H1N1, that type of hiding would make MORE sense, not less sense, since people are prone to blowing relatively minor events out of proportion. Seriously, it was just another variant of the flu, but the media sensationalized people into panicking more about it.

No government is going to warn their citizens about an end kf the world, or end of a civilizatiln event until you are on the precipice of the event. That is simply because government would fail the minute people figure out there is absolutely nothing that can be done to prevent demise.
Those are not EOTWAWKI situations. No government wi warn their people of an EOTWAWKI situation with more than a month to spare.

How about the time that there was a huge asteroid that got a little too close for comfort to Earth? My bad, it's happened more than once, google search and you'll find at least 4 near misses or collisions of large asteroids with our planet. I also recall an especially large one getting dangerously close in the 1990s, and here is a fairly recent one:
A Sneaky Asteroid Buzzed By Earth Yesterday | Smart News | Smithsonian
By the way, the atrocious number of spelling errors in your posts make for a slower read. I know this website underlines spelling errors in red, so take the time to make corrections.

The fact that you think you can loom ahead at anything is the reason why you know in the first place. Panic destroys entire governments; there is no way any earth government is going to give people a heads up on an EOTWAWKI situation so they can degenerate for decades. Never.

Which is one reason why I said AGW is not an EOTWAWKI situation for at least 150 more years.

Ha, people only panic at immediate things, like I said. If the world was going to end tomorrow, and you didn't tell people, it'd hardly matter if you told people or not, since we were all going to die anyways. However, hiding an asteroid that was headed for Earth and would destroy it in 5 years helps NO ONE. It reduces the chances of someone finding a solution the fewer people there are that know about it. Furthermore, EVERY government in the world would have to agree on a course of action, and the secret could never be leaked... governments just aren't that good at keeping secrets. You overestimate the competence of governments by a lot.

Humans cannot "prevent" the entire planet. If it is going to have a periodic or final ELE, it will do so.

Perhaps, it depends on how much time we have to react to it. If we only have a few days, probably not much we could do. But once you get into years, that raises the possibility of preventing the end of the world before it happens, depending on the cause.

The problem with AGW is the connection between global capital and scientific theory.

I'm not sure what you even mean by this.

We could NEVER spend our way out an earth dynamical system - but many people beloieve we can.

Oh, no doubt.

Yes they do - I have been in the same situation in academia.

And, compartmentalization keeps everything on a leveled need to know basis. So, it isn't about millions of scientists hiding a conspiracy so much as it is many scientists have no idea what their work is actually for - unless explicitly stated in a contract for finding.

Three people can keep a secret, if two of them are dead. People really aren't good at hiding things, and there is only so much progress a scientific effort can make with the majority of people having no idea why they are doing anything.

Then, you stk don't know what your intellectual property wi. E used for. It isn't the "scientists" that are the problem: it is academia, and academics playing politics. Scientists are people, too.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, they are people. Flawed people that are just as prone to panic and be rash as you and I, just as flawed as you and I. This is why a large group of people could never hide the world ending for very long. Thus, unless the world was going to end in 3 days and there was absolutely nothing we could do, I see no reason for any group to try to hide it, nor do I think their chances of success would be very good. Furthermore, if it was a localized event, the native government would have the MOST motivation to let it be known, such as to evacuate or quarantine as much as they can. Staying put and doing nothing is the only way for a government to GUARANTEE its destruction.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

NASA has satellites whose sole purpose is to monitor and analyze the sun and the magnetosphere.

"How do we know that changes in the sun aren’t to blame for current global warming trends?

Since 1978, a series of satellite instruments have measured the energy output of the sun directly. The satellite data show a very slight drop in solar irradiance (which is a measure of the amount of energy the sun gives off) over this time period. So the sun doesn't appear to be responsible for the warming trend observed over the past several decades.


Longer-term estimates of solar irradiance have been made using sunspot records and other so-called “proxy indicators,” such as the amount of carbon in tree rings. The most recent analyses of these proxies indicate that solar irradiance changes cannot plausibly account for more than 10 percent of the 20th century’s warming."
​

Source: https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

Because once again, you don't understand the science, as neither does NASA. They just discovered those "magnetic ropes" as they erroneously call them and just started studying them.

Even if they know they are pouring energy into the earth that has nothing to do with the suns solar output. But you too are not yet ready to understand or accept the data for what it is telling you.

NASA Spacecraft Make New Discoveries about Northern Lights | Science Mission Directorate

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_

Scientists discover surprise in Earth's upper atmosphere

""It's like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research."

Stop denying the science. It's right there in front of your nose but your blinded by your preconceived notions. The source of the heat has nothing to do with solar radiance, but your too blind to see from that brain washing.