Science Denial

[TagliatelliMonster]

A scientist's belief is called fact, and these beliefs change over time.

No.

Explanations of facts might change, when new facts don't fit currently accepted explanations. That's called learning and making progress.

But facts are facts and stay facts.
When a theory is discarded and replaced by a better theory - the facts are still the facts.

Take the fact of the day/night cycle for example.
It is a fact that we observe the sun rise on one side, move accross the sky and set on the other side.
Wheter we explain this fact through geocentrism or heliocentrism, is irrelevant.

The facts are the facts are the facts.
The day/night cycle didn't change when we adopted heliocentrism and discarded geocentrism.
Observable reality is what it is, no matter how we explain it.

So indeed, it is a fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. It is a fact that we pump massive amounts of it into the air which caused a doubling of this greenhouse gas in the atmosphere in just 100 years.

These aren't beliefs or hypothesis or theories. These are facts.

 

[just a believing guy]

No.

Explanations of facts might change, when new facts don't fit currently accepted explanations. That's called learning and making progress.

But facts are facts and stay facts.
When a theory is discarded and replaced by a better theory - the facts are still the facts.

Take the fact of the day/night cycle for example.
It is a fact that we observe the sun rise on one side, move accross the sky and set on the other side.
Wheter we explain this fact through geocentrism or heliocentrism, is irrelevant.

The facts are the facts are the facts.
The day/night cycle didn't change when we adopted heliocentrism and discarded geocentrism.
Observable reality is what it is, no matter how we explain it.

So indeed, it is a fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. It is a fact that we pump massive amounts of it into the air which caused a doubling of this greenhouse gas in the atmosphere in just 100 years.

These aren't beliefs or hypothesis or theories. These are facts.

Vulcanos for example, they also pump CO2 into the athmosphere. What if erruptions start taking place more often? How are we going to compensate the losses of ''CO2 industries'' jobs in that case?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Vulcanos for example, they also pump CO2 into the athmosphere. What if erruptions start taking place more often?

The amount of CO2 released by vulcanos pales in comparision to the amount that human activity releases.

Not to mention that there isn't an increase in vulcanic activity at all, in the past 100 years.
Also, we can't stop vulcano's. But we can stop burning fossil fuels.

How are we going to compensate the losses of ''CO2 industries'' jobs in that case?

By giving them jobs in "non-co2 industries". Obviously coal/oil will have to be replaced by something else.

Having said that... "jobs" aren't more important then the environment.

 

[just a believing guy]

The amount of CO2 released by vulcanos pales in comparision to the amount that human activity releases.

Not to mention that there isn't an increase in vulcanic activity at all, in the past 100 years.
Also, we can't stop vulcano's. But we can stop burning fossil fuels.



By giving them jobs in "non-co2 industries". Obviously coal/oil will have to be replaced by something else.

Having said that... "jobs" aren't more important then the environment.

The Sun's activity also increases the global warming, does it not?

Of course that environment is more important than the jobs, in theory.

 

[lesliedellow]

A scientist's belief is called fact, and these beliefs change over time.

Facts are beliefs for which there is enough evidence to establish their truth beyond reasonable doubt. Is there one chance in 100 billion that things sometimes fall up towards the sky, rather than down towards the ground, only nobody has ever been around to observe it happening? Well, maybe. But would any sane person bet on that one chance in 100 billion? No, they would not.

 

[KWCrazy]

Fact: CO2 is a greenhouse gas

C02 is a natural element without which all living things would be dead in a matter of minutes. The larges greenhouse gas; at 92%; is water vapor. Shouldn't we consider steam to be HazMat?

Fact: we pump massive amounts of said gas into the atmosphere

Fact. We transfer CO2 from the ground to the air. We do not make it. It's always there.
Fact. If this was an actual crisis we'd be out west logging the old growth forests and planting new trees. That would add roads, which are natural fire breaks, help control wild fires and give people a greater access to nature. However, that would make the timber industry rich so the environmentalists would die to stop it.
The problem is not the environment, the problem is the liberals and environmentalist wackos. I'll tell you a secret. We can't destroy the planet. We can't save the planet. We have no such authority.

Fact: in the past 100 years, we have doubled the amount of said gas in the atmosphere

Fact: When Mt St Helens erupted it put more pollution into the air then man has done in the totality of his existence. It actually lowered the earth's temperature by one degree. A year later, no effects. You people need to make up your mind. On one hand you say the earth has survived millions of years, and then you say it's so fragile we can destroy it with a few Suburbans. If the earth survived all the bombs we dropped in WWII, it can survive a diesel pick-up.

Fact: the nasty effects of this practice, has been known for more then 50 years now

Fact: Big government liberals have been trying to get their wacko socialist ideas into American mainstream culture since the 50's.

Facts aren't opinions.

Yours are, apparently.

 

[juvenissun]

The problem is that it appears to be happening much faster than it would normally otherwise (barring major natural disasters).

1. We do not know that for sure. It was changing super fast in the past 10,000 years. Compare to that, it is crawling now.

2. Even much faster, it is still very very slow.

 

[lesliedellow]

C02 is a natural element without which all living things would be dead in a matter of minutes..

Carbon-di-oxide. It isn't an element. We also don't need it, which is why we breath it out. Plants need it, we don't.

 

[lesliedellow]

1. We do not know that for sure. It was changing super fast in the past 10,000 years. Compare to that, it is crawling now.

2. Even much faster, it is still very very slow.

Assertions cut no ice. Try evidenced facts.

 

[KWCrazy]

Carbon-di-oxide. It isn't an element. We also don't need it, which is why we breath it out. Plants need it, we don't.

So the plants die, we no longer have oxygen generators and then....
Honestly, I think you just make up things to be contrary.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The Sun's activity also increases the global warming, does it not?

Yes. But it doesn't double the amount of CO2. And it only increases global warming if the activity of the sun increases. But it hasn't increased. In fact, if anything, it's the opposite.

But more importantly..... Do you really think that science isn't aware of the role of the sun, ocean currents, vulcano's, forrest fires, etc etc etc in climate and how these things can affect warming or cooling periods??

Do you really think that you are telling them something new or innovative, by pointing at the sun? Come on now... be serious.

Of course that environment is more important than the jobs, in theory.

Not just in theory. In practice.
If you destroy /mess with the environment, "jobs" will be the LEAST of our problems.

 

[Speedwell]

Fact: Big government liberals have been trying to get their wacko socialist ideas into American mainstream culture since the 50's.

Too bad they haven't done very well with it. It's religious conservatives who seem to be doing a better job of getting their wacko ideas into mainstream culture.

 

[AV1611VET]

Too bad they haven't done very well with it. It's religious conservatives who seem to be doing a better job of getting their wacko ideas into mainstream culture.

It's religious conservatives who built this country, without which you would be posting in German right now.

 

[Speedwell]

It's religious conservatives who built this country, without which you would be posting in German right now.

It's Christians who built this country, with the help of a few of their non-Christian friends. Religious conservatives are taking credit which they do not deserve.

 

[KWCrazy]

Too bad they haven't done very well with it. It's religious conservatives who seem to be doing a better job of getting their wacko ideas into mainstream culture.

Let's hope it stays that way. Let Europe have the big government socialism. Our policy is "Sic semper tyrannis."

 

[KWCrazy]

It's Christians who built this country, with the help of a few of their non-Christian friends. Religious conservatives are taking credit which they do not deserve.

America has always been a nation built upon Christian ideals which we never fully lived up to; but we've done better than most nations. It's always been a blend of the godly and the godless, but the idea of freedom being a declared right given by God is unique to America.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's Christians who built this country, with the help of a few of their non-Christian friends. Religious conservatives are taking credit which they do not deserve.

I have to agree with that. I was a little hasty in my posting.

 

[Speedwell]

America has always been a nation built upon Christian ideals which we never fully lived up to; but we've done better than most nations. It's always been a blend of the godly and the godless, but the idea of freedom being a declared right given by God is unique to America.

But if the conservative Christians had had their way we wouldn't be one country, but two.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

C02 is a natural element without which all living things would be dead in a matter of minutes.

lol....

Water is also something that life requires to stay alive.
But too much water will kill you as well.

Fact. We transfer CO2 from the ground to the air. We do not make it. It's always there.

/facepalm

But it only has an effect on climate when it's in the air.
If we don't dig it up and then burn it, it stays in the ground.

We can't destroy the planet. We can't save the planet. We have no such authority.

Wow.... just..... wow.

Fact: When Mt St Helens erupted it put more pollution into the air then man has done in the totality of his existence.

That is simply false.

On average, global volcanic activity releases anywhere between 60 and 200 million tonnes of CO2 per year. Sounds like a big number right?

That's not even 1% of the 30 billion tonnes that is released by human activity per year.

And no, the mt st helens eruption did not release a trillion tonnes of CO2.
That eruption released about 10 million tonnes in 9 hours. Human activity accomplishes the same in only 2.5 hours.

Yes. Every 2.5 hours, humans have the same effect on the atmosphere as the mt st helens eruption. Let me repeat that for extra clarity: Every 2.5 hours, humans produce the equivalent of the Mt St Helens eruption of 1980

Do volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans?
Does a Single Volcanic Eruption Release as Much CO2 As All of Humanity Has to Date?

Fact: Big government liberals have been trying to get their wacko socialist ideas into American mainstream culture since the 50's.

There's nothing "socialist" about scientific facts.
Nore is the accute problem of climate change a conspired attack on the US of A.

Get over yourself.

Yours are, apparently.

Apparantly not.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

1. We do not know that for sure. It was changing super fast in the past 10,000 years. Compare to that, it is crawling now.

2. Even much faster, it is still very very slow.

The facts suggest the exact opposite: