School shootings. Guns not the issue, american morals/values are.... and of course, a lack of God.

[NothingIsImpossible]

After studying this in depth for years now I've found some things out that explain school shootings and what the solution is and is not.

For starters school shootings have been happening since the early 1900s. Obviously not at this rate of course today. However in the last two decades, they have doubled every decade. And what is the correlation of this? Americans views. Before Columbine things were starting to change in how america worked. From politics to "morality" such as lifestyle choices, abortion and other subjects. One thing I remember is when Ellen had her tv show and it was the first LGBT tv show of its kind on tv really.

Now not blaming LGBT of course. However since then the general christian views that were more or less in place were becoming lessened. Its also around the time we started taking God out of schools, out of government buildings...etc. And with each year things got worse. In the last decade alone schools shootings are up double what they were before. And likewise so were moral views of this country.

The christian has been pushed more aside in terms of whats normal and whats not. Weed, LGBT, abortion, gender, super-feminists and other issues have been more normal now and those against those things are being looked down on.

So in short the devil had made sure his morals are corrupting more of america. And as that happens. More bad things seem to happen. Including kids who are confused and angry since at school you can't even be yourself if you are not for even one of the "normal views". This is why school shootings are increasing. The country is going downhill. We are paying the price for abandoning God and accepting more world views.

Now how is this solved? Well many people talk about guns, guns and more guns. But despite assault rifle already being banned by Obama, school shootings did not stop. They increased. Now they want to ban certain guns that use bump stocks OR that hold to much ammo. And what will that do? Nothing really. If your looking to kill people, a new law or banned weapon won't stop you from killing.

Now kids will just bring pistols to school. Now you say "Ban all guns!". Sure, then kids will bring knives, pens, poison, bombs...etc. Anything can be used as a weapon. And things like poison or bombs can kill more than an assault rifle! Even a car can kill many if rammed into them. Laws won't stop people from killing. Maybe they will lessen the amount of fatalities, but it doesn't stop killers.

We need to invest into having children at school take yearly mental health exams. Invest into having schools get access to students phones or social media pages. These are things that will help. We also need to protest the FBI, police, principles who knew about these killers but never did much about them. Guns.... guns are removing a piece of the body that doesn't stop the body from still doing what it wants. You have to go for the head (so to speak).

Notice the teens don't protest the fact that more kids are killed in a year from driving under the influence or while texting then kids killed in a school shooting combined. Sometimes these drivers killed kid passengers or other kids in other cars. And what about suicide? So many bullied kids kill themselves every year and no on protests to change those things. Heck in the innercity kids are dying every day and no one blink an eye.

People are focused on the wrong issues and fixes. And really, knowing the bible says the world will get worse, none of this may fix or stop any of it. Our country is morally going bankrupt and these types of kids are going to continue this stuff because they are more and more messed up as every year goes by.

 

[Nithavela]

Of course.

Any idea why there aren't as many school killings with knives, pens or rocks in socks in countries that are even further "removed from god", like for example many countries in europe?

 

[Freodin]

I won't deny that you do have indeed some valid observations... but I fear that you draw some very limited and very one-sided conclusions from them. (Gee, a Christian concluding that the problem is not enough Christianity, and the solution is more Christianity. Colour me surprised! )

Seriously... you are right... "american morals / values" are a major point in this problem.
But in this case you should be aware that a lot of these "american morals / values" consist of "everyone different is an enemy. The other is out to destroy you. Destroy them before they get you. Guns are great and never any problem."
You ignore that a lot of this is based on "Christianity"... a very special american, right-wing, conservative type of Christianity that considers themselves under constant attack, under siege, in danger from... well, yes... "the other".

You say that you "pay the price for [...] accepting more world views." But if you look closely, you don't "accept" other worldviews. You condemn them, you keep condemning them, you try your worst to fight them to death. In many cases, literally.

The history of the western world for a lot of the last 2000 years was dominated by Christianity. In many times and places, dominated to the level that "other world views" (and that included other christian worldviews) would be persecuted to the death.

Christianity hasn't changed society for the better, or made it more harmonious. It just octruacted a different kind of control.

Your country isn't "going downhill". It is, like all societies, changing.

It depends on your (collective) realization of how much violence - and, yes, guns - you will involve in this change to see how bloody this change is going to be.

 

[LionL]

To say that a change from Christian to secular has caused school shootings is wrong, in my opinion.

If Christian values are good for a country then why did America take so long to abolish slavery and even had a form of apartheid until quite recently?

 

[Radagast]

Christianity hasn't changed society for the better, or made it more harmonious.

Feel free to travel to a non-Christian country to live.

I've also got a time machine in my basement. I can arrange to send you to Rome, ancient Sparta, or ancient Tenochtitlan. You'd really love those. No Christianity at all.

 

[Kellip171]

Are you implying a call for gun control? Regardless of "ridding" the country of legal guns, there will still be guns. For example: Illegal immigration is illegal, yet there are estimated to be around 12.5 million illegal immigrants residing within the U.S. Along with immigrants, guns cross the borders as well. It truly leaves the good guys unarmed, defenseless to a shooter with access to a rifle. We definitely need reform, but getting rid of guns would not get rid of guns. American values are extremely flawed at the moment, as it does seem that people argue for the sole purpose of argumentation. We have no desire to communicate, no desire to be the United States of America. It is extremely troubling, as a younger member of the community seeing this decline, and fear for the future of our country. I can only hope things will change.

 

[Kellip171]

I won't deny that you do have indeed some valid observations... but I fear that you draw some very limited and very one-sided conclusions from them. (Gee, a Christian concluding that the problem is not enough Christianity, and the solution is more Christianity. Colour me surprised! )

Seriously... you are right... "american morals / values" are a major point in this problem.
But in this case you should be aware that a lot of these "american morals / values" consist of "everyone different is an enemy. The other is out to destroy you. Destroy them before they get you. Guns are great and never any problem."
You ignore that a lot of this is based on "Christianity"... a very special american, right-wing, conservative type of Christianity that considers themselves under constant attack, under siege, in danger from... well, yes... "the other".

You say that you "pay the price for [...] accepting more world views." But if you look closely, you don't "accept" other worldviews. You condemn them, you keep condemning them, you try your worst to fight them to death. In many cases, literally.

The history of the western world for a lot of the last 2000 years was dominated by Christianity. In many times and places, dominated to the level that "other world views" (and that included other christian worldviews) would be persecuted to the death.

Christianity hasn't changed society for the better, or made it more harmonious. It just octruacted a different kind of control.

Your country isn't "going downhill". It is, like all societies, changing.

It depends on your (collective) realization of how much violence - and, yes, guns - you will involve in this change to see how bloody this change is going to be.

I understood all you spoke of up until the second to the last statement. Do you really see America as not on a decline? Just wondering from an outside view.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Feel free to travel to a non-Christian country to live.

Like Sweden? Sounds good to me.

How about Japan, Hong Kong, or Singapore?

I've also got a time machine in my basement. I can arrange to send you to Rome, ancient Sparta, or ancient Tenochtitlan. You'd really love those. No Christianity at all.

There was plenty of Christianity in Europe prior to, say, 1945. That was just a peaceful wonderland, wasn't it?

 

[Radagast]

Like Sweden? Sounds good to me.

Sweden is very heavily influenced by Christian traditions and morality. Indeed, up until 18 years ago, Christianity was the official religion, and there was a state church.

How about Japan

Japan, China, Thailand, Laos, and North Korea are all mostly free of Christian influence. I'm sure you'd be much happier there.

Going to former English colonies would be cheating, of course.

There was plenty of Christianity in Europe prior to, say, 1945. That was just a peaceful wonderland, wasn't it?

The Nazis were not Christians.

 

[Freodin]

Sweden is very heavily influenced by Christian traditions and morality. Indeed, up until 18 years ago, Christianity was the official religion, and there was a state church.



Japan, China, Thailand, Laos, and North Korea are all mostly free of Christian influence. I'm sure you'd be much happier there.

Going to former English colonies would be cheating, of course.



The Nazis were not Christians.

Ah, yes, Sweden. Heavily influenced by Christianity. Had it as their official religion.

As it so happens, I live just a few kilometers (few as in: less than five) from one of the places where The Lion Of The North, the defender of the protestant faith, Gustav Adolf of Sweden fought a battle against the Imperial army... the defenders of the catholic faith.

It wasn't one of the major battles of this war, so I cannot say how many Christians killed each other on both sides. What is known and documented though is that several villages in the surrounding got sacked, pillaged and burned down, by both armies, in the aftermath.

But the Swedes were not Christians, surely. Nor were the Germans, the Bavarians, the French, the Poles, the Bohemians, the Danish... or any of the others.


In Germany during the 30-Years-War people lived and loved, prayed and cursed, build and razed, killed and sired new life. They did in England during the Revolution, they did in France during the Hugenotte wars. They did in Italy, in Scandiavia, in Poland, Russia.
They did it during the Boer Wars, the Indian Mutiny, the Conquest of Mexico, World War One and Two. They did it during the Reformation, the Counter-Reformation, The Reconquista, the Inquisition.

And they also did it in Ancient Rome, Sparta and Tenochtitlan. They did and do it it Japan, China and North Korea.

Humans.

I didn't say Christianity made society worse, or that Non-Christian societies were and are better. But Christianity didn't make it better as well.

 

[Freodin]

I understood all you spoke of up until the second to the last statement. Do you really see America as not on a decline? Just wondering from an outside view.

"Decline" depends on the perspective. There isn't one absolute standard for "greatness" of a nation... regardless of what some orange people might think.

Yes, I think America is on a decline, in some ways. Rational thought, for example... pragmatism. One of the things that made America gre... well, powerful. Unity can be said to be on a "decline", when more diverse groups clamour for recognition against an oppresive "normality". Though it might be interesting to debate whether America was more "unified" by the dominant Christian system when they killed each other by the hundredthousands and kept thousands of others as "possessions".

On the other hand, in the question of human rights that USA had made some good progress in the last century. Perhaps now this too is in "decline"... but hopefully not.

But all it all, it is just change. Societies are constantly changing, and "decline" is only proclaimed by those who insist that their way is the best, and any deviation from it must be worse.

 

[Hieronymus]

Don't forget that nearly all of these shootings are SSRI related !!
AND the perps were known to be ticking timebombs, known to police and FBI even.
Many of the events have an official story that conflicts with the evidence.
Most of these events are instantly used to push a gun control narrative.

 

[Steve Petersen]

After studying this in depth for years now I've found some things out that explain school shootings and what the solution is and is not.

For starters school shootings have been happening since the early 1900s. Obviously not at this rate of course today. However in the last two decades, they have doubled every decade. And what is the correlation of this? Americans views. Before Columbine things were starting to change in how america worked. From politics to "morality" such as lifestyle choices, abortion and other subjects. One thing I remember is when Ellen had her tv show and it was the first LGBT tv show of its kind on tv really.

Now not blaming LGBT of course. However since then the general christian views that were more or less in place were becoming lessened. Its also around the time we started taking God out of schools, out of government buildings...etc. And with each year things got worse. In the last decade alone schools shootings are up double what they were before. And likewise so were moral views of this country.

The christian has been pushed more aside in terms of whats normal and whats not. Weed, LGBT, abortion, gender, super-feminists and other issues have been more normal now and those against those things are being looked down on.

So in short the devil had made sure his morals are corrupting more of america. And as that happens. More bad things seem to happen. Including kids who are confused and angry since at school you can't even be yourself if you are not for even one of the "normal views". This is why school shootings are increasing. The country is going downhill. We are paying the price for abandoning God and accepting more world views.

Now how is this solved? Well many people talk about guns, guns and more guns. But despite assault rifle already being banned by Obama, school shootings did not stop. They increased. Now they want to ban certain guns that use bump stocks OR that hold to much ammo. And what will that do? Nothing really. If your looking to kill people, a new law or banned weapon won't stop you from killing.

Now kids will just bring pistols to school. Now you say "Ban all guns!". Sure, then kids will bring knives, pens, poison, bombs...etc. Anything can be used as a weapon. And things like poison or bombs can kill more than an assault rifle! Even a car can kill many if rammed into them. Laws won't stop people from killing. Maybe they will lessen the amount of fatalities, but it doesn't stop killers.

We need to invest into having children at school take yearly mental health exams. Invest into having schools get access to students phones or social media pages. These are things that will help. We also need to protest the FBI, police, principles who knew about these killers but never did much about them. Guns.... guns are removing a piece of the body that doesn't stop the body from still doing what it wants. You have to go for the head (so to speak).

Notice the teens don't protest the fact that more kids are killed in a year from driving under the influence or while texting then kids killed in a school shooting combined. Sometimes these drivers killed kid passengers or other kids in other cars. And what about suicide? So many bullied kids kill themselves every year and no on protests to change those things. Heck in the innercity kids are dying every day and no one blink an eye.

People are focused on the wrong issues and fixes. And really, knowing the bible says the world will get worse, none of this may fix or stop any of it. Our country is morally going bankrupt and these types of kids are going to continue this stuff because they are more and more messed up as every year goes by.

American Christians decry how godless Europe has become, but they have fewer gun deaths per capita. How do you explain that if godlessness is the cause of gun violence?

 

[Kentonio]

Feel free to travel to a non-Christian country to live.

I've also got a time machine in my basement. I can arrange to send you to Rome, ancient Sparta, or ancient Tenochtitlan. You'd really love those. No Christianity at all.

Rome was Christian under Constantine.

 

[Nithavela]

Rome was Christian under Constantine.

And look at the Roman Empire, still standing strong and proud!

 

[variant]

Feel free to travel to a non-Christian country to live.

I've also got a time machine in my basement. I can arrange to send you to Rome, ancient Sparta, or ancient Tenochtitlan. You'd really love those. No Christianity at all.

I already live in a secular society.

 

[variant]

Of course.

Any idea why there aren't as many school killings with knives, pens or rocks in socks in countries that are even further "removed from god", like for example many countries in europe?

This.

It's amazing how we're probably one of the more religious countries in the first world and yet we suffer from these problems more so than more secular ones.

Mass shootings tend to happen in the country with the most guns per capita in the world and a long standing gun culture rather than in the most secular societies so the OP's thesis needs some work.

 

[Snappy1]

After studying this in depth for years now I've found some things out that explain school shootings and what the solution is and is not.

I doubt it.

For starters school shootings have been happening since the early 1900s.

John Anthony Gardner Davis, a law professor at the University of Virginia, was shot by student Joseph Semmes, and died from his wound three days later. - November 12, 1840

Sure, studying for years.

Obviously not at this rate of course today. However in the last two decades, they have doubled every decade. And what is the correlation of this?

The proliferation of readily available high capacity weapons, combined with a general snowball effect you see with any human activity.

 

[Speedwell]

Feel free to travel to a non-Christian country to live.

Why a non-Christian country? I've lived in Christian countries as well, Christian countries not troubled by right-wing Protestant fundamentalism, and found them entirely satisfactory.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

To say that a change from Christian to secular has caused school shootings is wrong, in my opinion.

If Christian values are good for a country then why did America take so long to abolish slavery and even had a form of apartheid until quite recently?

And that's not to mention what this "Christian country" did to Native Americans. Where were those Christian values when Native Americans were either being forcibly removed from or slaughtered for their tribal lands just so white Christian people could have that land for themselves?