Scenario "What would you do"

[Southernscotty]

I have been reading on another thread about whether christians should carry firearms and I was surprised at some of the answers I saw.
I thought I would present a scenario here and see the answer that you would give.

Ok it is february 3rd at 8am and you are sitting at home watching Tv and enjoying time with your precious family.
Your two beautiful children Tommy and Sarah are playing in the floor. Tommy the 10 year old is toying with his favorite swiss army knife that you gave him for christmas.
Since Tommy has joined the scouts, This is all he has talked about and he all winter has left notes laying around about what what he wanted most for christmas, Tommy is an all american "outdoors" boy who loves camping and hunting and being outside.

Little 6 year old Sarah is playing with her "newest baby" A skinny, Malnourished one eyed dumped dog that someone had half starved and "lovingly" dropped off at our house and my daughter immediately fell in love adopted "Burt" as she calls him, Sarah loves every critter that comes along. She will instantly grab the animal and say, I am taking you home.
She is a sweet little Blond haired brown eyes girl that will instantly take in anything that "She deems" Abused or sad and she claims that she will be a veterinarian when she grows up. I believe her.

My best friend and loving wife Trina is having her morning coffee sitting beside me on the couch, half listening to the Tv evangelist on Day Star and half to the children arguing over Burt's doggy biscuits, Sarah had already fed him 12 this morning.
I spoke up and said "no more for today Sarah" Oookay Daddy, Was her response with a sly little smile, However I knew that as soon as Burt looked sad in that one eye, He would get another one.

Trina looked up at me with those big beautiful brown eyes that captivated me the first moment we ever met and said to me, "I love you sweetheart", She knew that was the immediate way to get me up off the couch and go get her whatever she wanted and in this case it was more coffee.
Two teaspoons of sugar and a tablespoon of half and half, She said as I headed towards the kitchen, I know I know babe, I gotcha The sugars and half cup of milk. She growled at me and as laughed as a couch cushion went flying towards me.

Honestly I loved waiting on Trina as she was my absolute best friend in the world and love of my life as we had been married 15 years now. She was terrific mother and dream wife and I consider myself blessed above all other men to have met her at lakeside Baptist church 16 years ago. It was immediately love at first site and I was pondering this when I heard a loud crash and Sarah scream.

I stopped stirring the coffee and ran to the living room as fast as I could, Only to find the barrel of a 45 press hard against my forehead.
My heart was racing, My mind was out of control as fear seized me. There was three men, One was holding me at gunpoint while another guy tied me with ropes that they had brought. Another one was tying up Trina and telling my kids to shut up.
I scanned the situation and saw that they all had guns and all three gang symbols on their faces.

I said please take whatever you want just don't hurt my family, "Shut up" come the answer as a fist jammed into my stomach taking away my breath and causing me to fall to my knees. I gasped for air as I watched Burt get kicked in the side by a one of the thugs when he growled, He yelped and flew across the room and Sarah ran to kick the guy, I tried to scream NO, But nothing would come out, I tried to get up and I thought "Oh dear God my baby girl". Sarah reached him and he laughed and hit her in her little face with his big fist, She fell limp to the floor and my heart seemingly stopped. She wasn't moving so I started in a rage, fighting to get loose and that is when everything went black.

More coming in next post!!

 

[dogs4thewin]

I feel that Christians should in fact carry firearms ( if they so choose) This does not mean that they look to use them or that they would use them at mere words, but there is nothing in the Bible that does not allow for self-defense and there is certainly nothing in the Bible that talks about not being able to defense OTHERS.

 

[mama2one]

what would you do?
you're out cold in above so gun wouldn't help


husband had a collector rifle that had him get rid of before we started adoption process

didn't want a gun in house with a child
social worker did ask if we had one so glad it was gone

too many children accidentally get shot by siblings or kids accidently shoot themselves
or as in our town, a teen shot his dad

 

[Southernscotty]

Part Two,

When I awoke I was sitting in a kitchen chair, My head was spinning and hurting, I was in an uncomfortable position and things slowly started coming back to me.

I saw little Sarah laying where she had fallen and my heart sank. I looked and all the guys were focusing on Trina and I saw her bathrobe that she had been wearing that morning was now laying on the floor.

I was fighting the ropes trying to get my hands free, as I caught a glimpse of Tommy lying against the wall, Oh dear God, Help me I pray in Jesus name I though as tears ran down my face.

The men was paying me no attention, I guess the thought I was still knocked out,
Trina was crying and saying stop please!
I was turning my wrist and realized that there was a little bit of play in the right hand side.
I had fought the bonds of the rope so hard that blood from my wrist had made the ropes slippery enough to work my right hand free.
I gave all my strength to that right hand and it came out. I quickly scanned the room and beside me laying on the kitchen table was a Colt 1911 45 that belonged to one of the gang members, He must have thought he wouldn't need it with us tied up.

Also on the table laid Trina's Bible and and some napkins along with Burt's treats

I slowly moved my hand towards the table when one of the guys screamed and I jumped, I looked that direction with my eyes half closed so as not to "give myself away" and saw he was sitting on the recliner pulling Tommy's swiss army knife out of the calve of his leg.
The other two guys started laughing and said "Oh you big baby" It's just a little knife.
The guy said "yeah well I am fixing to use this little knife and cut that little punks throat as soon as this bleeding stops.
My heart was hammering, I was trying to focus through the sweat, Blood and tears, What should I do?

 

[dogs4thewin]

what would you do?
you're out cold in above so gun wouldn't help


husband had a collector rifle that had him get rid of before we started adoption process didn't want a gun in house with a child
social worker did ask if we had one so glad it was gone

too many children accidentally get shot by siblings or kid's accidently shoot themselves
or as in our town, a teen shot his dad

that is on the parents though for not teaching gun safety. I could have a loaded chopper ( AK-47) on this desk and with very few exceptions it would not go off unless I applied some action to it. I am not saying that it is not very sad when a child ( or anyone for that matter is accidently killed with a firearm, but 99% of the time it comes down to lack of education and/or carelessness.

 

[dogs4thewin]

what would you do?
you're out cold in above so gun wouldn't help


husband had a collector rifle that had him get rid of before we started adoption process didn't want a gun in house with a child
social worker did ask if we had one so glad it was gone

too many children accidentally get shot by siblings or kid's accidently shoot themselves
or as in our town, a teen shot his dad

double post

 

[mama2one]

that is on the parents though for not teaching gun safety.

a depressed teenager killing his dad
or himself (in many instances) has nothing to do with gun safety

also, in many instances children as young as 3 have accidently shot a gun
bit too young to understand gun safety at that age and they're just curious


Wyoming has a high gun count and a high suicide rate

 

[Southernscotty]

For my answers personally,
1. I would grab the 45 and start with freeze, If one moved, I would shoot him dead.
2. I would get Trina and the kids woken up from being knocked out and get them behind me into the kitchen where she would call 911 and Trina could take care of the kids while I hold the perps at gunpoint.
I would probably also stick some of Burt's doggy biscuits in my ears because I don't like Tv evangelist.

 

[mama2one]

very unrealistic as the bad guys wouldn't leave their gun on table

 

[Southernscotty]

very unrealistic as the bad guys wouldn't leave their gun on table

Well in this story he did.
Drug addicted individuals do stupid things and if thought the man was unconscious and tied up, He could certainly make that decision.
The scenario is what would you do? There is a bible, And a gun.
The story is probably stupid because I am not a writer but that doesn't matter, It is about those who say that we do not need guns. So tell me what is the correct action here???????

 

[mama2one]

So tell me what is the correct action here???????

I'd use the Bible
many people have talked criminals down and on our news, one woman even got the criminal to call police and turn himself in

 

[paul1149]

Being that there were three of them, I doubt I would have given the "freeze" warning. They were already engaged in a violent felony. The "freeze" might have given them advantage over me. It would depend on the particulars.

 

[JosephZ]

What should I do?

It seems God allowed you to notice the Bible to remind you that He is with you. Upon seeing the Bible you should immediately go to the Lord in prayer (albeit a quick one) for guidance and have faith that if it is according to His will, He will provide you with the courage, strength, and the tools necessary to gain control of the situation and allow you and your family to escape.

Since there is a fully loaded 1911 45 Colt laying within close proximity, you should try to reach it and use it in an attempt to neutralize the men that are holding your family captive. The way I see it, God has given you a tool that offers you the possibility to gain control of the situation when He allowed one of the men to lay his gun down.

In the end though, it will be God who will decide the final outcome according to His will.

In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, (Ephesians 1:11)

 

[Sam91]

In the UK where there are very few guns about we do not even consider gun crime as something to worry about. I do not think I could live in the US because it would be frightening wondering if someone who was angry at you would have a gun.

 

[Hank77]

For my answers personally,
1. I would grab the 45 and start with freeze, If one moved, I would shoot him dead.
2. I would get Trina and the kids woken up from being knocked out and get them behind me into the kitchen where she would call 911 and Trina could take care of the kids while I hold the perps at gunpoint.
I would probably also stick some of Burt's doggy biscuits in my ears because I don't like Tv evangelist.

I think you need to rethink how you would respond once you had the gun. You aren't just outnumbered you are outgunned and they have three hostages to use against you.

 

[dogs4thewin]

a depressed teenager killing his dad
or himself (in many instances) has nothing to do with gun safety

also, in many instances children as young as 3 have accidently shot a gun
bit too young to understand gun safety at that age and they're just curious


Wyoming has a high gun count and a high suicide rate

Well, I did not say that everything was gun safety. If someone is deadest on killing someone they will do it one way or another. The situation you gave sounds like murder as in the teenager meant to do it ( as opposed to an accident.

As to suicide, yes a majority of gun deaths are suicides ( some put the number as high as 2/3, but that has nothing to do with killing others that is either a mental health issue or a case where again people would use another method.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I'd use the Bible
many people have talked criminals down and on our news, one woman even got the criminal to call police and turn himself in

Sometimes that works more often than not it does not. That may work in a case where a person was say across a field or far off and was threatening you with a knife or a bat , but at close range with a gun no ( particularly if they were making moves towards you. There are times when deadly force is needed, and both legally and morally acceptable to use.

 

[Southernscotty]

I think you need to rethink how you would respond once you had the gun. You aren't just outnumbered you are outgunned and they have three hostages to use against you.

I do believe I would yell freeze at which if anyone went for a gun I would shoot. I am very comfortable with the 1911 platform and feel that compared to most I am accurate. Now I understand what you are saying, but see my point here. 1. one guy is bleeding in the chair. He is the one who probably laid his gun down? that I now have possession of. 2, The other two guys are "preoccupied" with my wife and their guns are in their pockets or belts or whatever. So I feel that gives me the time needed to evaluate and at any moment, I will drop someone if they move toward the weapon.
Trina would remove their guns from them as I direct while they are hands up and I am holding them at gun point

 

[dogs4thewin]

In the UK where there are very few guns about we do not even consider gun crime as something to worry about. I do not think I could live in the US because it would be frightening wondering if someone who was angry at you would have a gun.

Most people with guns good honest people will only use them in defense of themselves or others as it relates to shooting other people. Those who use it otherwise would hurt someone one way or another. Just because someone has a gun does not mean they will in anger use it if they are otherwise a citizen who follows the law. I live in a rural area of a southern state ( gun country) I know several people who carry guns and even more who own them and none of those people would I be scared in anger would use their gun on me ( unless I did a WHOLE lot more than make them angry.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I do believe I would yell freeze at which if anyone went for a gun I would shoot. I am very comfortable the 1911 platform and feel that compared to most I am accurate. Now I understand what you are saying but see my point here. 1. one guy is bleeding in the chair. He is the one who probably laid his gun down? that I now have possession of. 2, The other two guys are "preoccupied" with my wife and their guns are in their pockets or belts or whatever. So I feel that gives me the time needed to evaluate and at any moment, I will drop someone if they move toward the weapon.
Trina would remove their guns from them as I direct while they are hands up and I am holding them at gun point

It is also important and morally and legally wrong to let someone bleed out ( or to keep shooting once he or she is no longer a threat. For example, suppose you shot someone it was NOT fatal, but they did drop the weapon at that point it is not legally nor morally right to keep shooting or to not do all you can to prevent them from dying. People say you shoot to kill. No you are supposed to shoot to stop the threat if that sadly means they die so be it, but if not you cannot kill them just because of what they did if less force did in fact stop the threat.