Scary bible verse! :(

[thereselittleflower]

I hope you're right. I never stopped believing in Jesus, even if I did get a little bizarre with my interpretation of the bible, and my heart was more at a tug of war between the truth and Satan, at least that's what I believe now. I truly think "The Passion" was an exorcism for me, I could swear I was posessed by some force before. I look back and can't even recognize who I was and what stupid things I spewed from my mouth.

It sounds as though you had a very profound conversion back to God, and the fullness of faith, and THAT, in and of itself, is PROOF that you are not one of those Paul was speaking of . . because you HAVE repented . . and those whom He is speaking of cannot experience this . .

Be reassured! Be at peace, the Lord is with Thee!


Peace in Him!

 

[loveisallyouneed]

Thanks everyone! I think what I really need is confession ASAP, it'll be like the final layer of dust being blown off of me. I can't wait for the weekend! I'm especially anxious because I have surgery next week and need this blessing and cleansing now more than ever. It scares me to think that I might have gone into surgery without having repented for my sins and fully accepted our Lord as an obedient servant.

If anything should happen and I should, God forbid, die, I'm happy to know that at least, I'm heading on the right path. Oh but, I'm just thinking worst case scenario, it's really a minor outpatient surgery but still.

 

[Christy4Christ]

You are not going to die!

 

[loveisallyouneed]

You are not going to die!

Goodness I hope not, but the fear is still there, however so slight. It's kind of morbid though because part of me thinks, what is heaven like?



Will Jesus be waiting there for me, or will I see Morgan Freeman? LOL...just kidding.

 

[ps139]

Would this mean that a Protestant would be doing this?

If I can take a guess, I would say this this situation would not apply to 99.9% of Protestants. I think this situation applies to someone who fully knows the Truth and then fully rejects it. A lot of Protestants (I'd say almost all) do not fully understand the Catholic Faith, therefore they would not be in the position to make this sort of rejection - instead they would be rejecting a false impression of the Truth, which is not the Truth.

I think that the person this verse applies to is someone who has truly loved Jesus, but then for some reason totally rejected Jesus. We know that Protestants do not fall into that category.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Goodness I hope not, but the fear is still there, however so slight. It's kind of morbid though because part of me thinks, what is heaven like?



Will Jesus be waiting there for me, or will I see Morgan Freeman? LOL...just kidding.

AS soon as you go to confession you will feel better, and as soon you receive the Eucharist, even better still

Pray the Hail Mary, pray the Rosary, pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy Can you go to Adoration?


Peace in Him!

 

[reverend B]

if in fact you had fallen away, who do you think would lead you back? The evil one?

you are in God's hands. do you think He wants you to live in fear of your imperfection? does it make sense that He would want you to live in torture because you could not love Him enough? you are His, clearly and marvelously His. your love is clear through your posts. is it possible He could ignore the pain you feel from being weak at times? why send a Savior to do a job that is not needed? we are all weak. none of us is worthy. no, not one. we are all the prodigal, and we are all welcomed through grace, not works, so we can not boast. you are simply human. which means you are among the only creatures who we know desire God.

yours in Christ

 

[Christy4Christ]

Thank you that was kind...

 

[ps139]

if in fact you had fallen away, who do you think would lead you back? The evil one?

you are in God's hands. do you think He wants you to live in fear of your imperfection? does it make sense that He would want you to live in torture because you could not love Him enough? you are His, clearly and marvelously His. your love is clear through your posts. is it possible He could ignore the pain you feel from being weak at times? why send a Savior to do a job that is not needed? we are all weak. none of us is worthy. no, not one. we are all the prodigal, and we are all welcomed through grace, not works, so we can not boast. you are simply human. which means you are among the only creatures who we know desire God.

yours in Christ

Preach on Reverend! That was a really good post.
Sometimes getting into deep theology and exegesis we can lose sight of the fundamentals, and get scared. Satan loves to take advantage of that. And God loves restoring peace to our souls.

 

[PeterPaul]

Preach on Reverend! That was a really good post.
Sometimes getting into deep theology and exegesis we can lose sight of the fundamentals, and get scared. Satan loves to take advantage of that. And God loves restoring peace to our souls.

As they say my friend, intellectuals succumb quicker to propaganda.

 

[Credo]

When I stopped calling myself Catholic was just a sophmore in high school and really immature spiritually, even up until recently. I'm not trying to excuse my doubts and my turning away, but I just hope that if you leave the church and come back because you recognize your grave error, that it's okay.

You're not alone. I very much did the same thing in my teens and into my college years. The best remedy for me was a complete and serious examination of conscience and a good confession based upon that. It's great for the conscience and the soul, believe me! I speak from experience. Make a list on a piece(s) of paper. That's what I did so I was sure not to leave anything out. Then, get in that box and let the priest know that it's been a long time. He'll help you through it!

Our God is great, loving and merciful. He's just a few steps away, waiting to reconcile us through His ministers!

May God bless you on your journey!

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Christy-

It is scary. It is supposed to be scary. But its not something that can happen to you by accident, without your full desire, because St Paul also says that nothing can separate us from the love of God.

Want an example of people that fall into this category? Go to Internet Infidels or the general apologetics forum on this site and look at the atheists there...99% are fallen away Christians that now speak all sorts of evil against our Lord.

Those types of people are what that verse is refering to...there is nothing you can say to enlighten them...I tried for a year.

 

[seebs]

The one concern I have about this is that I have seen such people, sometimes, turn around anyway.

I am not sure what to make of this. It's rare, but it happens. I wonder if perhaps Paul was giving practical advice.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

The one concern I have about this is that I have seen such people, sometimes, turn around anyway.

I am not sure what to make of this. It's rare, but it happens. I wonder if perhaps Paul was giving practical advice.

Yes seebs, it is possible in rare cases. I was speaking in general. I honestly can't even go there anymore...I get physically sick seeing some of the usernames and topics.

 

[Metanoia02]

I think you need to be careful about beating yourself up about this verse of Scripture. If we take it literally, it would mean that Peter who denied Christ three times could never have been saved. After all Christ put him in charge before he went home to be with His Father.

 

[Ann M]

So often those of us that turn away from the Church do so because we are mad a God for something that He has done. We don't deny Him, but rather we resent Him for what He had to do.

Last year I had to face my demons and conquer them, it never an easy road. What really got me was that the one person who had really hurt me in my childhood was the one to ring me and tell me that what was done was done and its all in God's hands now. I ranted at hubby afterwards, at the injustice of it all, and he was in stitches when I came out with "I can't even be mad with God now because he says so". It was the first time that I ever admitted aloud that I was mad at Him, and it brought me so much closer to Him. I realized that I had to be totally honest to Him with my feelings the good and the bad. If I cannot have an honest relationship with those on this earth by hiding parts of myself from them how can I do it with Him who truly knows all.

The fact I was mad at Him for so long also reminds me he was never far from me. Whenever I asked 'Why me' he sent his answer . I never denied His existence and He never left me alone.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

Thank God for the Sacrament of Reconciliation

 

[kimber1]

okay someone mentioned (and i think i've read it in the CCC as well) that those who do not FULLY understand the faith can come back. so does this hold for atheists as well seeing that well obviously them being atheist they do not fully understand? in other words, there's a chance of their redemption?

 

[loveisallyouneed]

I was always of the thought that anyone could repent and accept the Lord, I didn't think there were any conditions or people who were eternally condemned to hell.

My fiance used to be an atheist until he tried to prove God didn't exist (he has a masters in science). He became an Orthodox Christian after that.

 

[Maple]

...Christy, it's nice to see that you are working on salvation, so am I. Please remember we are all works in progress.

IMHO, to fall away from the Church would mean you first had a full understanding of Catholisim and rejected Christ. That is different from trying to get a handle on our Doctrine.

You feel horrible? Well, ask for God's forgiveness and move on. That's the deal.