Scary bible verse! :(

[Christy4Christ]

Hebrew 6:4-6

For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the Heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace.

Can anyone help me ?

 

[thereselittleflower]

Hi Christy

The word for "fall away" means to apostasize . .it means such a complete falling away, not just backsliding . . we all know that we can backslide and still come back . .that is very differnt than apostasizing . .

You canot apostasize wihtout fully intending to . . you have tasted the heavenly gifst, but then you purposefully trample them under your feet . . there is malice towards God here . . it implies an entire rennuciation of Christianity . .


Does that help?


Peace in Him!

 

[Christy4Christ]

But wouldn't living in a totally disrespectful manner be considered doing just that?

 

[loveisallyouneed]

I consider myself to have 'fallen away' until recently. I never said I hate the bible or I hate Jesus, but I didn't allow God's will for my life or my view of Christianity, I tried to rationalize it all and justify many things, even sin.

Would that be considered apostasy? I guess it would.

I feel so horrible now.

 

[Christy4Christ]

I'm sorry I didn't mean to make you gloomy. I feel like I am going to Hell after reading that verse. I hope I didn't scare anyone but *I* am really scared right now

 

[PeterPaul]

Love and Christy, stop. You know very well that like "The Prodigal Son" God loves us and can't wait for us to come back to Him. Guilt of your errors show how much you care and repent having hurt Him. Please, don't feel like you are an apostacy. That is not what you have done with your lives.

Coming back to Him is the greatest gift you could have given the Father.

 

[loveisallyouneed]

I'm sorry I didn't mean to make you gloomy. I feel like I am going to Hell after reading that verse. I hope I didn't scare anyone but *I* am really scared right now

You aren't the only one.

 

[Christy4Christ]

But it's not just that I feel I am going to Hell, it is that I feel like this....It isn't bad enough I killed Him once but I may have killed Him all over again?! I can't bear that thought. Poor Jesus I am so horrible!

 

[KC Catholic]

Hebrew 6:4-6

For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the Heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace.

Can anyone help me ?

IMHO...this is the line that could be considered for those Catholics who know the truth the Church teaches, really realizes the Church contains the fullness of Christ, the Eucharist is true, the teachings are all true - a choose to leave the Church anyway.

I could be wrong here, but that is why Catholics have to be cautious about interpreting scritpure on their own. Its not that we cannot gleen the meaning of a passage, but sections like this can trouble someone if they don't fully understand what the passage is saying.

Just my $.02.

 

[loveisallyouneed]

IMHO...this is the line that could be considered for those Catholics who know the truth the Church teaches, really realizes the Church contains the fullness of Christ, the Eucharist is true, the teachings are all true - a choose to leave the Church anyway.

When I stopped calling myself Catholic was just a sophmore in high school and really immature spiritually, even up until recently. I'm not trying to excuse my doubts and my turning away, but I just hope that if you leave the church and come back because you recognize your grave error, that it's okay.

 

[KC Catholic]

When I stopped calling myself Catholic was just a sophmore in high school and really immature spiritually, even up until recently. I'm not trying to excuse my doubts and my turning away, but I just hope that if you leave the church and come back because you recognize your grave error, that it's okay.

OF COURSE! You big goof!

Both of you are getting upset for not....let your hearts not be troubled. I sound like Sean Hannity!

Anyway....you both have come home and are on the right track. The Church is going to welcome you with open arms.

 

[thereselittleflower]

But wouldn't living in a totally disrespectful manner be considered doing just that?

No, because if deep down in one's heart they knew they were wrong, but couldn't bring themselves to admit it and repent, it would not be a calloused "I don't want to have anything more to do with you Jesus" . .

This "falling away" is something so very cold, something so very dispassionate, somthng so very calculated .. not something done in anger, in the heat of the moment, in despair . .

Do you see the difference?


This is so similar to the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit . . if not the same thing being discussed . .

Christy, .. please believe me . . this is something so awful, that no mere turning way from God for the various reasons people do in thier life, yet come back to Him after a time compares to. This is total, full, with no possibility of repentence, no possibility for desire for repentance . .

Because Protestantism uses the words "fallen away" so freely, it is so hard for us to reprogram our minds to see it differently than we have been previously programmed to . .it is too easy to interpret this as simple backsliding . .


Peace in Him!

 

[loveisallyouneed]

I hope you're right. I never stopped believing in Jesus, even if I did get a little bizarre with my interpretation of the bible, and my heart was more at a tug of war between the truth and Satan, at least that's what I believe now. I truly think "The Passion" was an exorcism for me, I could swear I was posessed by some force before. I look back and can't even recognize who I was and what stupid things I spewed from my mouth.



I really hope that the Lord recognizes how awful I feel about that, and ashamed. I'd hate to think of never being forgiven for my ignorance and defiance.

 

[Christy4Christ]

That does make me feel better because I NEVER in my life said a bad word about Jesus! I never told anyone ever that I didn't believe in God or even that I wasn't sure. I have always believed in Jesus and always said so, even when I was high and totally screwed up I believed in Him I just felt sick and couldn't seem to pull myself out of it. I think He knew that I couldn't do it on my own and that is the only reason I am here right now. I always try to think that He kept me alive for a reason. I felt His presence with me through everything, I can't explain it. This can't mean I was apostate. I have to believe I am ok, that I didn't hurt Him so badly He won't forgive me. Logically I feel this way but if I think about it for too long it drives me crazy

 

[princess_ballet]

I really hope that the Lord recognizes how awful I feel about that, and ashamed. I'd hate to think of never being forgiven for my ignorance and defiance.

He does.

Would this mean that a Protestant would be doing this?

 

[Toney]

This dilemma reminds me of the man from whom an evil spirit departed. The spirit went looking for a resting place and finding none returned with seven spirits even worse than him. Jesus says that the last state of the man is worse than the first. (Mt 12)

I have always interpreted this as a reason to guard against backsliding.

But you know, without grace we can't even convert. We can't say Jesus is Lord. What Barnabus (not trying to start anything here) wrote in Hebrews continues...the Lord is not unjust and remembers your good work and your love through service.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Well I think more than anything the Jesus worried for me because I was dying both spiritually and phyiscally. Do you think that He does this? I mean actually worries about us? It's hard for me to understand because He wouldn't have to worry for He could do anything He wants but maybe since He gave us free choice He does worry?

 

[Michelina]

Christy and Love,


This is just Satan's counterattack, trying to get you down.

Praise God and those creatures will leave you alone.

Say a few Hail Mary's and they flee. If they come back, do it again.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Thank you Michelina!

 

[thereselittleflower]

That does make me feel better because I NEVER in my life said a bad word about Jesus! I never told anyone ever that I didn't believe in God or even that I wasn't sure. I have always believed in Jesus and always said so, even when I was high and totally screwed up I believed in Him I just felt sick and couldn't seem to pull myself out of it. I think He knew that I couldn't do it on my own and that is the only reason I am here right now. I always try to think that He kept me alive for a reason. I felt His presence with me through everything, I can't explain it. This can't mean I was apostate. I have to believe I am ok, that I didn't hurt Him so badly He won't forgive me. Logically I feel this way but if I think about it for too long it drives me crazy

Christy

If I am wrong, I've been ****** to hell many times over then!! But I know I am in His hands!! I know that I know that I know!


Peace in Him!