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Savior of all people?

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"And the angel said to them, 'Fear not, for behold, [1] I bring you good news of a great joy [2] that will be for all the people. For [3] unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord'" (Luk 2:10-11).

[1] Does the angel of the Lord proclaim the good news of a great joy, regardless of its audience? It said to the shepherds, "I bring you good news."
[2] What is this good news which is for "all the people"?
[3] Did the angel's good news tell that this Savior was a Savior for them, being born, as the angel said to them, "unto you"?

This made me wonder: how does this relate to this text:

"For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe" (1Ti 4:10).

What does it mean to say that God is the Savior of all people, if clearly, not all will be saved?
 

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Neal said:
"And the angel said to them, 'Fear not, for behold, [1] I bring you good news of a great joy [2] that will be for all the people. For [3] unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord'" (Luk 2:10-11).

[1] Does the angel of the Lord proclaim the good news of a great joy, regardless of its audience? It said to the shepherds, "I bring you good news."
[2] What is this good news which is for "all the people"?
[3] Did the angel's good news tell that this Savior was a Savior for them, being born, as the angel said to them, "unto you"?

This made me wonder: how does this relate to this text:

"For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe" (1Ti 4:10).

What does it mean to say that God is the Savior of all people, if clearly, not all will be saved?

Luke 2: 10
.....of great joy: not carnal, but spiritual; not feigned, but real; not temporary, but lasting; even such as cannot be taken away, nor intermeddled with; and not small, but great, even joy unspeakable, and full of glory:

which shall be to all people; not to every individual of mankind; not to Herod and his courtiers, who were troubled at it; nor to the greater part of the Jewish nation, who when he came to them, received him not, but rejected him as the Messiah; particularly not to the chief priests, Scribes, and Pharisees, who when they saw him, said, this is the heir, let's kill him, and seize on the inheritance; but to all that were waiting for him, and were looking for redemption in Israel; to all sensible sinners who rejoice at his birth, and in his salvation; see Isaiah 9:3 to all the chosen people of God, whether Jews or Gentiles, whom God has taken to be his covenant people, and has given to his Son, as such, to redeem and save; to these the incarnation of Christ, with all the benefits resulting from it, is the cause of great joy, when they are made a willing people in the day of Christ's power.

Jon Gill

1 Timothy 4:10

Who is the Saviour of all men; in a providential way, giving them being and breath, upholding them in their beings, preserving their lives, and indulging them with the blessings and mercies of life; for that he is the Saviour of all men, with a spiritual and everlasting salvation, is not true in fact.

Specially of those that believe; whom though he saves with an eternal salvation; yet not of this, but of a temporal salvation, are the words to be understood: or as there is a general providence, which attends all mankind, there is a special one which relates to the elect of God; these are regarded in Providence, and are particularly saved and preserved before conversion, in order to be called; and after conversion, after they are brought to believe in Christ, they are preserved from many enemies, and are delivered out of many afflictions and temptations; and are the peculiar care and darlings of providence, being to God as the apple of his eye: and there is a great deal of reason to believe this, for if he is the Saviour of all men, then much more of them who are of more worth, value, and esteem with him, than all the world beside; and if they are saved by him with the greater salvation, then much more with the less; and if he the common Saviour of all men, and especially of saints, whom he saves both ways, then there is great reason to trust in him for the fulfilment of the promises of life, temporal and eternal, made to godliness, and godly persons. This epithet of God seems to be taken out of Psalm 17:7 where he is called Myowx eyvwm, "the Saviour of them that trust," or believe.

John Gill
 
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I wrote a brief article on 1 Timothy 4:10 for a friend of mine, [name]Amethystisagem[/name], back in May of 2005. I'm going to post the complete article here for the Original Poster.

"For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers." (1 Tim 4:10; Greek eis touto more correctly phrased "For to this end"; cf. v. 8 "godliness")
Two things need to be noted about this verse: "God" and "Savior." As to the former, Paul is not referring specifically to the Lord Jesus, who is one person of the Trinity, but rather to God as a whole. Whenever Paul refers to salvation proper, his reference is either about Jesus Christ and his work specifically or he speaks about those who are "in Christ." But in this passage he refers to "the living God." This context is given weight by the opening of this epistle to Timothy, where Paul refers to "God our Savior" in juxtaposition with Christ Jesus: "Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope" (1 Tim 1:1). A.T. Robertson confirms this, referring to 1:1 as the grammatical context, where we find "soter applied to God as here." He goes on to add, "Not that all men 'are saved' in the full sense, but God gives life to all" (Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament; cf. 1 Tim 6:13, Act 17:28). The remaining question, then, is what Paul means by God being "the Savior of all men, especially of believers."

First, a thought experiment. It seems obvious to me that Paul cannot be referring here to salvation proper because scripture knows nothing about multiple spheres of salvation. If Paul was talking about salvation proper, he would be suggesting that there are multiple spheres of salvation—all men are ultimately saved in one sphere, but believers are "especially" saved in another sphere. Is there not one Christ only? One atoning sacrifice only? One complete and sufficient redemption only? Is there not one glorification, one kingdom in heaven only? Those who are saved are redeemed by one Lord, who offered himself one time, whose sacrifice was fully and finally sufficient and effectual, completed and finished, and there is only one family of God in one eternal kingdom with God in heaven. Paul's use of the phrase "especially of believers" implicitly informs us that he is not talking about salvation proper, for there is only one salvation and one state of ultimate glorification in Christ Jesus. Another hint of the actual context is shown by Paul stating that God is the Savior of all men—not that he could be the Savior of all men if they would only let him, not that God is potentially the Savior of all men, but that God is the Savior of all men. This, likewise, should inform us that "Savior" here is not in the redemptive context (eternal salvation) since not all men in fact are redeemed.

What, then?

Matthew Henry writes that "he is thus far the Saviour of all men [in so far as] that none are left in the same desperate condition that fallen angels are in." With an eternal purpose in mind, God determined not to annihilate his creatures the moment they sinned, which would have been his just and righteous prerogative. Instead, he let them live—but under curses and promises. This, in the breadth of its scope, is referred to as "providence." And this is what Paul is referring to here; specifically that which we call "common grace" which all men, without exception, undeservedly benefit from.

God is the Savior of all men in so far as God is he "who gives life to all things" (1 Tim 6:13) despite that none deserve it; "for in Him we live and move and exist" (Act 17:28), even those who persistently rebel against him, deny him, hate him; God also "causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matt 5:45); all of these facts giving the psalmist cause to praise, "Your righteousness is like the mountains of God; your judgments are like the great deep; man and beast you save, O LORD." (Psa 36:6). Obviously "save" here is not in the context of eternal salvation. God is the providential Savior of all men in a temporal salvation, which is to be viewed as utterly different from eternal salvation. John Gill confirms this, stating that God is the Savior of all men "in a providential way, giving them being and breath, upholding them in their beings, preserving their lives, and indulging them with the blessings and mercies of life," and rightly rejects the idea that this passage is referring to a spiritual and everlasting salvation. About the phrase "especially of believers," Gill affirms that here, too, temporal or providential salvation is being referred to. That is, even in the context of believers, Paul is not talking about eternal salvation; "but of a temporal salvation [a general providence], which attends all mankind, there is a special one which relates to the elect of God."
[T]hese are regarded in Providence, and are particularly saved and preserved before conversion, in order to be called; and after conversion, after they are brought to believe in Christ, they are preserved from many enemies, and are delivered out of many afflictions and temptations; and are the peculiar care and darlings of providence, being to God as the apple of his eye.​
Whether of sinners in general or "especially of believers," when Paul refers to God as the "Savior of all men" he is referring to that 'common grace' that extends from God's sovereign providence, which exists for the sake of his purpose for his chosen ones in Christ.
 
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Neal said:
What does it mean to say that God is the Savior of all people, if clearly, not all will be saved?
To most people I've read it means that the Savior is Savior for all people, that there will be no Savior for the Jewish people one, then another Savior for the Gentiles, later.

It could also point to God being uniquely the Savior of men, there won't be two routes of salvation through two different saviors.
 
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