LynneClomina
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absolutely right!Asar'el said:
if there IS time after coming to Jesus, and there are NO works, then there may have been no true faith.
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if there IS time after coming to Jesus, and there are NO works, then there may have been no true faith.
LynneClomina
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faith is a gift, not a work. one cannot say to themselves, well, i'm gonna start having faith. faith comes only by the grace of God. which is why it's BY grace, THROUGH faith (and resulting in works). grace is the sourse of salvation, not faith, but faith immediately results, and works will follow.aggie03 said:
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Asar'el
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Calling faith a work does make some sense, but it is not that sense of works which we speak of here, nor the scripture when it says, in Ephesians 2:8-9,
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
I believe that's what LynneClomina refers to; grace, through faith being the means of salvation (which is the point of the thread).
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
I believe that's what LynneClomina refers to; grace, through faith being the means of salvation (which is the point of the thread).
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aggie03
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I agree - the Scriptures are referring to works of which a man (or woman 
) could boast in. No one can boast because they have faith. No one can boast because they love God. Can we boast because we are obedient to the things that God has said? No.
The things that God asks us to do can not be boasted about. Therefore, anything that God says is necessary in order for us to be saved cannot be boasted about. Faith, repenteance, confession and baptism are not things that can be boasted about because they are conditions that God has set in His word to us.
) could boast in. No one can boast because they have faith. No one can boast because they love God. Can we boast because we are obedient to the things that God has said? No. The things that God asks us to do can not be boasted about. Therefore, anything that God says is necessary in order for us to be saved cannot be boasted about. Faith, repenteance, confession and baptism are not things that can be boasted about because they are conditions that God has set in His word to us.
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How does one "faithe"? i believe airplanes fly but i do not get on one, i do not have faith in them. For a new immature Christian, how does he know? the concepts of grace faith and works are an in depth study and even a source of contention between Christians. how can we expect one being fed the milk of the word to grasp these concepts? belief alone is not satisfactory at least for me because i could always doubt myself (do i really believe?) I believe that is why the Lord gave us baptism. It is so simple. it is a marker of faith, a point in time that we can reach out and say we faithed in the Lord. (it is no more a work than when a man and a woman go through a marriage ceremony. it just demonstrates the beginning of a faith and shows it to oneself and their spouse.) It is not a work of righteousness, but righteousness is fulfilled because it is faith itself.
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Hi Welsh, I was at Cefn Lea over easter.
Anyway, you use the word "saved"... what doies that *mean* ?
It means deliverance. In the New Testament sense that means freed from an existance bound to "the flesh" with all it's inability, to a new Life where you enjoy the nature of God.
You must believe this and want it (repent), bury the old in baptism, "the answer of a good conscience towards God" (1 Peter 3v21), you are"dead" but you are raised to new life by the operation of God when you ask/crave and expect to receive the Holy Spirit.
Just like when a baby is born a cry is heard, you speak in tongues which is God leading you in prayer... the new tongue signifying the new heart and that *you* have entered the realm where all things are possible (no man can tame the toungue).
This is God's nominated way, man has de-nominated it (broken it up)
. . . don't mess with the best, cos the best don't mess.
Note to Athanasian Creed:-
Acts 16v31 is followed by v32 where they spoke the word of the Lord to him, i.e. they had to explain what it means to believe . . .what God does and what we should do.
Anyway, you use the word "saved"... what doies that *mean* ?
It means deliverance. In the New Testament sense that means freed from an existance bound to "the flesh" with all it's inability, to a new Life where you enjoy the nature of God.
You must believe this and want it (repent), bury the old in baptism, "the answer of a good conscience towards God" (1 Peter 3v21), you are"dead" but you are raised to new life by the operation of God when you ask/crave and expect to receive the Holy Spirit.
Just like when a baby is born a cry is heard, you speak in tongues which is God leading you in prayer... the new tongue signifying the new heart and that *you* have entered the realm where all things are possible (no man can tame the toungue).
This is God's nominated way, man has de-nominated it (broken it up)
. . . don't mess with the best, cos the best don't mess.
Note to Athanasian Creed:-
Acts 16v31 is followed by v32 where they spoke the word of the Lord to him, i.e. they had to explain what it means to believe . . .what God does and what we should do.
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