Saved In Sin Or Saved From Sin

[Arthur57]

Why is the law such an important factor, that is must be fulfilled in some one who believe?

Because it is a work that God has promised, which is His New Covenant, established with the blood of Christ. He must carry it out.

Hebrews 8:10.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jeremiah 3:31-34.

Matthew 26:28.
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Remember, that this righteousness of the law might only be fulfilled if a believer walks after the Spirit, if there is Christ (His Spirit) in him leading his life.

It is clear then, that it is not because the Spirit is in him that the righteousness of the law is automatically fulfilled in him, but it is because he walks after the Spirit, he lives a life led by the Spirit. It is works required here.

What kind of works?

If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15.

This is the works that Jesus required from those who love him. In order the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in them, they must keep the commandments, not just a mental assent, but the real thing, to keep and do His commandments.

 

[Arthur57]

I wonder why many people believe that no man could keep the law perfectly and thus rely on the perfect work of Christ, His perfect obedience, that they may share His righteousness through faith, by which the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in them. A strange theory.

When Jesus said “Keep my commandments”, was He promoting an impossible task for His believers? Did He instruct His believers to do what they could never accomplish? Was He joking? No, He wasn’t! It is impossible for God to instruct man to do what is beyond their capability to do, beyond their strength. What He said, must be precisely happen.

Notice, Jesus said: “If you love Me, keep My commandments”, this means, those who love Him, are able to keep His commandments, and only those who do not love Him, could not keep His commandments.

This ability of course is not of their own, otherwise they might keep the law perfectly to inherit eternal life, and make Christ died in vain. This ability is from God, from the Holy Spirit poured out abundantly to them, washing, regenerating and recreating a new life in them that conforms to the holy righteous demands of the law.

God said: 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Ezekiel 36:26,27.

This is what exactly happens to the true believers in Christ who seek righteousness and life above all. God gives them a new heart replacing their old stony heart, which is their carnal mind, which is in enmity against God, not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be (Romans 8:7). And not only replacing their old stony heart with a new heart, God also poured out His Spirit and filled their hearts with the overwhelming love of Him, causing them to walk in His statues and keep His judgments and do it. This is what Jesus meant: “If you love me, keep my commandments.”

And thus, the covenant of God spoken to Jeremiah comes to its realization: But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Jer. 31:33.

And Paul, understood this, said: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in them, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.” Romans:4.

It is not just a mere mental assent, but the real work. Keeping the law of God! But keeping it with love and faith in Christ and a walk after the Spirit. At the end: they are the law doers justified for their perfect righteousness (Romans 2:13), qualifies them to enter the gate of heaven and have the right to the tree of life (Revelation 22:14).

 

[*Enigma*]

OK, seems I wouldn't get new opinions, let’s share my thought.

The Scripture says that Christ would save his believers from sin and not in their sin.
Matthew 1:21 - And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.”

This is a very great truth of the Gospel that had been overlooked by so many Christians from major denomination.

Jesus will save people (his believers) from their sin. This is saving grace.
Jesus will save people (his believers) in their sin. This is cheap grace.

OK. Stop here first. Any comment?

I agree with you, Matt 1:21 "..He will save His people from their sins", most definitely not in their sins. If Christ came to save believers in their sins - that would imply a license to continue to sin.


Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Remission is forgiveness of sins. What do we repent from? Sin, to cease from trangressing God's commandments. How can he save us in our sins (continuance of sin), if He died for the forgiveness of our sins? Romans six:23 "the wages of sin is death".... you cannot be saved in your sins if you desire to receive the gift of eternal life.

 

[Arthur57]

I agree with you, Matt 1:21 "..He will save His people from their sins", most definitely not in their sins. If Christ came to save believers in their sins - that would imply a license to continue to sin.


Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Remission is forgiveness of sins. What do we repent from? Sin, to cease from trangressing God's commandments. How can he save us in our sins (continuance of sin), if He died for the forgiveness of our sins? Romans six:23 "the wages of sin is death".... you cannot be saved in your sins if you desire to receive the gift of eternal life.

That's right.

Jesus came to save us from what? From death because Adam was created to live, but he brought mankind to the death by his sin. The 2nd Adam will bring back humanity to life.

Mankind was doomed to die after the fall of Adam.

We must die for two reasons:
1. For the sins we did, the wage is death.
2. For what we are, sinners since our conception in our mother womb; the wage is death.

Double problem which needs double solutions.

Christ came to safe us from death as the wage of sin (1 John 3:4), by:
1. Dying on the cross to redeem us from our sins (This solve the 1st reason, we have a guarantee now by coming to Him for the forgiveness of sins).
2. Changing us from sinners to righteous persons. This is the work of the Holy Spirit in washing, regenerating and recreating us back in the image of God (this solve the 2nd reason).

The problem is that many Christian don’t know about this, they think that Christ death on the cross is all what they need; one act solve the whole problem; His imputed Righteousness will qualify them for heaven.

But this is not true. Unless mankind are in such a way recreated back in the image of God, not less than the 1st Adam before his fall in Eden, they are not qualified for heaven and eternal life.

Christ saved men from the death, which is by forgiving the sins they did and by changing them from sinners to righteous persons they really are. He saved us from our sins completely and not in our sin.

Part salvation, only solve one problem, and that is not salvation at all.

 

[Hismessenger]

While we were yet sinners.

hismessenger

 

[holyrokker]

While we were yet sinners.

hismessenger

Notice the past tense: were

 

[4runner]

We were saved FROM sin

 

[holyrokker]

We were saved FROM sin

Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.

 

[Arthur57]

Christ imputed righteousness, is his righteousness credited to a sinner who repent and put his faith in Christ.

God demands righteousness, His law that is the transcription of his agape love demands righteousness, but a sinner could not present. Not even from obeying the law. Only through Christ, when he truly repent from his sins and asked for forgiveness, he is forgiven, and Christ imputed righteousness credited to him. He is a sinner justified by faith, having Christ imputed righteousness but none of himself, he was a sinner just then, right?

But this is not for a life time condition. God and His law demands righteousness, and it is Jesus mission to safe people from their sin, and not in their sin.

Every man must stand in their own righteousness before God, to be qualified for heaven.

If those who only has Christ imputed righteousness are qualified for heaven, what would happen?

This man hasn't been changed yet, his character hasn't been perfected, if he had been changed and perfected, he will no longer has the imputed righteousness of Christ, for he is perfect, righteous and sinless.

But if some one believe that it is the only righteousness (Christ imputed righteousness) to qualify him to heaven, he remain in an excuse, that he could never attain sinless perfection in this side of this world, thus, saying he will remain a sinner, he will remain in a imperfect character, in unrighteous heart. How could he be given the permit to live in heaven?

The sin is not blotted out in him will flourish in heaven, his imperfect and unrighteous character will develop in heaven. And heaven will become the same as this old world.

Therefore, there is a clear separation set up by Christ himself:
for the time is at hand. 11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous[e] still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.” Rev. 22:11.

The unjust, the filthy will remain in their condition from that time on when the announcement take place, and the righteous, the holy will remain in their righteousness and holiness. No longer Christ will intersect as a mediator, men has been left to his fate.

And who will be qualified for heaven afterwards? The righteous and holly people.

Who will remain on earth to be burn in hell? The unjust and filthy people.

Where those who rely on Christ imputed righteousness belongs?

Since they believe they couldn't achieve righteousness and holiness in this side of this world, admitting they will remain in their unjust and imperfect character, depending on Christ imputed righteousness, they will be found wanting, and lined themselves with the unjust and filthy people on earth.

 

[ghendricks63]

Of course we are saved ftrm our sins...but this in no way means we are suddenly become perfect at the point of salvation. We continue to fail and commit acts which used to be counted against us as sin...but no longer. We are free from the penalty of sin and as such are saved FROM our sin.