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Saved, but what are the consequences of sin?

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If those who accept the idea (not found everywhere in the New Testament, especially Paul) that faith in Jesus accords salvation that can never be removed, what are the consequences of sin and misbehavior in a person's life? A person could easily think there are no consequences, at least no eternal consequences, since the person was saved by divine grace. So regret and repentance are unnecessary because the person already has a door into heaven.
 

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If those who accept the idea (not found everywhere in the New Testament, especially Paul) that faith in Jesus accords salvation that can never be removed, what are the consequences of sin and misbehavior in a person's life? A person could easily think there are no consequences, at least no eternal consequences, since the person was saved by divine grace. So regret and repentance are unnecessary because the person already has a door into heaven.
It would maybe be more appropriate to say that faith/belief in Jesus that does not give up or give out to the very end secures one's eternal saving or salvation, etc, and if it does give up or give out at a certain point, then did they ever really have it to ever begin with, etc...

But it would also be more appropriate to say that only kind of faith that ever truly does this, is only of the kind gifted to you by God, and is not of yourself or because of you, etc, but is God's doing with you and in you, because it both is and always was a gift from God, etc, and is always by his Grace alone, and not because you in any way deserved it any more so than anyone else, etc...

And not because you worked harder at it either, but and/or because and if you did, that was also only because of God also, etc...

But the type of person that is like this, and is gifted like this, does not just not do anything they want with sin, or in the area of sin, etc, but makes steady progress with it all throughout their life, etc, but one person's progress may not be the same as another persons progress, etc, so we should not be judging one another in this area, etc, as judgement is not as "equal in our eyes" or is as "black and white in our eyes" as we may think it is, etc, but is all very very clear, and all always equal (fair, just) to God, etc...

But that being said, most often, if ones eternal salvation does turn out to ever be secure regardless of some sin, etc, they might not have a very pleasant life in this life while they are on their way there maybe, etc...

But ultimately God is the judge and not us, etc, and that our number one primary sin is thinking we can, etc, especially when it comes to each other or one another, etc, and so, for that reason, I might just simply tell other people that sin can possibly be a risk to either one either way maybe, etc, either life, etc, depending on how God will judge you, etc, but that ultimately it is God who will judge you as I cannot, etc, other than to just maybe tell you that it can be a risk, etc, but that I am called not to judge you, but to love you, etc...

And I might also tell them that discipline for sin in this life, is very, very much worth it, if it causes you to repent and be saved for the next life, etc... But then again, even that was not really ever "you" either, but was because God "fully knew you and what he put in you and did in and/or with you", and what he made you either fully capable of, or else not fully capable of, etc... and that, because of that, your not any better than anyone else at all ever, etc, for it is all only ever only by the Grace of God ever only, etc... You have not one single thing God didn't give you, and he may not have gave to all equally, etc...

And as for each one of your specific sins and how God will judge them/you specifically, either in this life or the next, with you specifically, I cannot say, etc, as there is just way, way too much involved with that, etc... But I will tell you that it can be a risk, and maybe sometimes a very serious risk sometimes maybe, etc, and that it's best to not play around with any of it at all ever, if you can, etc...

Do away with as much of it as you are able to right away, and then keep discovering new abilities with it all of the time or always, etc... And then maybe you'll truly make real true genuine progress, etc...

And as one final, final note, beware of all the self-righteous, as they seem to be completely blind to all the sins that they commit that are some of the absolute worst kinds to God, etc, and will try to condemn/damn everyone else but them in their own blindness, etc, which makes them very, very dangerous, most especially due to the way they might appear outwardly to other men, etc... Jesus himself had plenty to say about them, or those, or these ones, etc, "plenty to say about them", etc...

God Bless!
 
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Alright, I'm just going to say it. If the only reason you're behaving is because you fear punishment, you are a toddler or a psychopath. You should do good because it is good, not out of fear. My apologies if that sounds harsh, but that way of thinking annoys me.
 
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Alright, I'm just going to say it. If the only reason you're behaving is because you fear punishment, you are a toddler or a psychopath. You should do good because it is good, not out of fear. My apologies if that sounds harsh, but that way of thinking annoys me.
I've been sorely tempted in that area, to only obey only out of fear of God's judgement only, etc, but have also told "all" that if my obedience isn't because of God and God only, and alone, then it is nothing but dirty filthy rags to God and is also not really truly true obedience at all also, etc, as I've seen that kind of fakery/deception before, and to that I am sticking to it, etc...

Am I a "little worried" sometimes...? Maybe, sometimes, maybe... But I think God will have, or I will ultimately find out, that God will have already chose me in or to or by the end, etc, as that's the only way I am getting in anyway, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Alright, I'm just going to say it. If the only reason you're behaving is because you fear punishment, you are a toddler or a psychopath. You should do good because it is good, not out of fear. My apologies if that sounds harsh, but that way of thinking annoys me.
But I also wanted people to think about judgement as well, etc, and why we should not, and why only God, and only God only, really can, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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If those who accept the idea (not found everywhere in the New Testament, especially Paul) that faith in Jesus accords salvation that can never be removed,
"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

You can commit yourself to Jesus, so He joins you with Him in a bond which is almighty and which changes you so you do not have the character to leave Him.

If those who accept the idea (not found everywhere in the New Testament, especially Paul) that faith in Jesus accords salvation that can never be removed, what are the consequences of sin and misbehavior in a person's life?
There are things which happen because of our wrong things. Relationships suffer; on we could go. While I am messing with stuff in my imagination, this can keep me from being in the goodness of love that I could enjoy with God and people close to me.

But God's word guarantees how our Father corrects His children > Hebrews 12:4-14. Correction succeeds much better than punishment, correcting by changing us to be and to love like Jesus.

But we are not perfectly like Jesus; so we can cross lines and hit bumps. But we can admit we have been wrong, receive forgiveness, and keep going . . . instead of crossing a line and steering straight into traffic, or going off the bank. With God, we can see we are getting away from His love and leading in His peace, and He can get us back into submission to Him >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
 
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If those who accept the idea (not found everywhere in the New Testament, especially Paul) that faith in Jesus accords
salvation that can never be removed, what are the consequences of sin and misbehavior in a person's life? A person could easily think there are no consequences, at least no eternal consequences, since the person was saved by divine grace. So regret and repentance are unnecessary because the person already has a door into heaven.
The thing is that with salvation comes a new heart and mind.

If you have that new heart and mind, a life of sin is not your thing.

If you don't have that new heart and mind you are not really saved, you're just playing games.
 
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But this doesn't answer a simple question. People have all sorts of life challenges that might change their feelings or values. So what are the consequences in this world of being saved but sinning? Or for that matter consequences in the next world?
 
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But this doesn't answer a simple question. People have all sorts of life challenges that might change their feelings or values. So
what are the consequences in this world of being saved but sinning? Or for that matter consequences in the next world?
Pretty much the same consequences of flying in the air and crawling on the ground at the same time; i.e., it doesn't work that way.

You are not allowing for, because you do not understand, the spiritual power that accompanies salvation to keep one from a sinful lifestyle.

A sinful lifestye indicates no spiritual power, which indicates no real salvation. And no salvation means eternal damnation.

Does that answer your simple question?
 
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But what if a person CHANGES simply by virtue of the challenges of life and its stresses?
Can't I get a practical answer to a practical question?
It's not a practical question, its assumption is wrong.
But I'll try.

It's like the caterpillar.

When he changes to the new life of a butterfly, he does not change back again to his former life.

Likewise with those who are truly saved, they've gone from caterpillar (sin) to butterfly (saved). They don't go back again.

However, there are moths that look like butterflies (saved), but they are not (saved).
Time reveals who they are of you are watching--moths are nocturnal and flatten their wings against their bodies when resting,
while butterflies are diurnal and fold their wings back when resting.
So with time you can tell a butterfly (saved) from a moth (not saved).
 
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