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Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.
Now, this is something I never got, before. I am curious, if I may ask here > did you get this in your own personal prayer meditation, or did someone else teach you this?a man will forsake his father to be with his bride.
Have you read Psalm 22?Now, this is something I never got, before. I am curious, if I may ask here > did you get this in your own personal prayer meditation, or did someone else teach you this?
I do understand, by the way, that Jesus is asking a question, saying "My God". So, this can indeed be asking in love and faith, not in separation from God like ones claim Jesus was in while on the cross; and this question could be for our benefit. Yeah, ones do claim He was in total separation from God. But that would mean Jesus changed, and God can not change . . . I would say we need to consider.
Thank you for your time to explain what you have on this
Now, this is something I never got, before. I am curious, if I may ask here > did you get this in your own personal prayer meditation, or did someone else teach you this?
I do understand, by the way, that Jesus is asking a question, saying "My God". So, this can indeed be asking in love and faith, not in separation from God like ones claim Jesus was in while on the cross; and this question could be for our benefit. Yeah, ones do claim He was in total separation from God. But that would mean Jesus changed, and God can not change . . . I would say we need to consider.
Thank you for your time to explain what you have on this
Since I'm not Orthodox I'm not going to express a personal opinion. However I'd like to prevent misunderstanding. Calvin is normally considered responsible for penal substitution (although I'm not convinced that this is really accurate*). He is clear on this subject: Despite the fact that we are corrupted by sin, God still sees his image in us and determines to redeem us. Jesus' death is because of God's love for us, not his hate for us.Some ideas can be against biblical principles about God. Like implying he hates us and Jesus was punished to save us from God.
Even so, He did say, "why have You forsaken Me?"
For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;My understanding of this is that when Christ says "My God, my God why have you forsaken me" he is quoting psalm 22. (Psalm 21 in the Septuagint.) Back then Psalms were not titled by number, but usually identified by the first line. Any Jew there that could hear him would have recognized this and been able to see this prophetic psalm being fulfilled before their eyes. And still many refused to believe.
I guess I'm just becoming conscious of the fact that most Christians don't actually recognize (or seek) any authority beyond their own interpretation of the Scriptures...
It's actually not true of evangelicals either. While they recognize Scripture as authoritative, in practice there is an evangelical interpretative tradition just as much as a Catholic interpretative tradition. (Of course there are variants within both communities.)Maybe many evangelicals but not most Christians. There are Anglican, Catholic, Orthodox, and my communion where Christians do not look to their own authority but look to the Church
It does make sin God's problem.
There is often the assumption that God is somehow bound by these great cosmic laws, and even if He wanted to forgive us without extracting payment from someone in the form of punishment - He can't do so because those laws won't let Him.
Not only does God change toward us in such a scenario, but He's not even capable of simply choosing how to respond to us.
Do you mean could He simply freely forgive us without demanding blood/suffering payment?So if God is not bound by these cosmic laws, why did He feel the need to send His Son to pay for our sins? Did he have any other option?
No other option, because it was about restoring us to a way of Life, which required "fixing" us. God wasn't in need of any payment.So if God is not bound by these cosmic laws, why did He feel the need to send His Son to pay for our sins? Did he have any other option?
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