Satan's seat

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christian1488 said:

The angel tells John that the woman is that great city, or that great system, called Babylon, which reigns over the beast she is riding.

The symbolic harlot "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11) and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3) and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

The Antichrist's (the beast's) ten kings will destroy with fire all that "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17a) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Revelation 16:19), possibly with nukes (and possibly with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number 6 in English gematria), at the time of the seventh vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17b) of the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18, right before Jesus Christ's second coming from heaven (Revelation 19:2-20:3, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Satan/Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12,17), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

But how could Lucifer possibly convince the ten kings to burn up their own world? How could he convince them to "hate the harlot" (Revelation 17:16) when she represents their very own world-system? What Lucifer could do is revert to the ancient lies of Gnosticism, which says that everything material is utterly evil, while only that which is pure spirit is good. Gnosticism teaches the lie that all humans used to be pure spirit and dwelling in bliss from all eternity in heaven, the "Pleroma", until by some mishap humanity fell into the material universe and became trapped in fleshly bodies. Gnosticism reviles YHWH, the Creator of the material universe and all fleshly bodies, as an evil, subordinate deity, a "Demiurge", who is keeping humans imprisoned and suffering in fleshly bodies and in the material universe.

Gnosticism became the main enemy of the early church, just as it will become the main enemy of the end-time church during the coming tribulation. For the Antichrist will be a Gnostic. He will teach the Gnostic/antichrist lie that Christ himself isn't in the flesh (1 John 4:3, 2 John 1:7). And the Antichrist, like the Gnostics, will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36).

So near the end of the coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18, right before the second coming of Jesus in Revelation 19:7-21, what Lucifer could do is say to the Antichrist and his ten kings something like: "The great battle of humanity against YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, cf. Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so humanity will finally be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this vile material universe, and return to the Pleroma. So let us completely destroy this awful prison cell, this awful planet, and let us, as it were, completely burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up everything, all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break every chain of attachment to this awful material realm, that we might more freely ascend back into our rightful place in the Pleroma".

Of course this will be a total lie. For at his second coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat all the armies of unsaved humanity, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, cf. Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent millennium (Revelation 20:1-6). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the millennium and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven: a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1).

And then God himself will come down out of the third heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-4). For there's nothing evil in itself about God's material creation. What he's created was created very good (cf. Genesis 1:31). And Jesus, God himself, became flesh (John 1:1,14), and remains flesh even after his resurrection into immortality as a man (Luke 24:39). And Jesus remaining wholly without sin even in the flesh (Hebrews 4:15) proves that there's nothing evil in itself about matter.

 

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christian1488 said:

EZEKIEL 28

If Ezekiel 28:2 has application to future events because of its similarity to the unfulfilled 2 Thessalonians 2:4, then the prince of Tyre could be the future human ruler commonly called the Antichrist (Daniel 11:36, Revelation 13:7-8). If that's the case, then the king of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:12) could be Lucifer/Satan (the dragon), who will empower the Antichrist (the beast) (Revelation 13:4, 2 Thessalonians 2:9). Lucifer, before his fall and the fall of man, could have been placed as a covering cherub over Eden (Ezekiel 28:13-15).

There's a curious correlation between the prince and the king of Tyre on the one hand (Ezekiel 28) and the use of the name Hiram in the mystical teachings of a worldwide secret society which teaches Gnostic Luciferianism at its highest degree of initiation. For Hiram was the name of the human king of Tyre at the time of the building of King Solomon's temple (1 Kings 5). Also, Hiram was the name of another person from Tyre, the human master workman who helped Solomon build the temple (1 Kings 7:13-14). If the king and the prince of Tyre addressed in Ezekiel 28 are Lucifer and the Antichrist, then the name Hiram would be a perfect code name (not the actual name) for both of them, a name by which their identity within the Gnostic Luciferian teachings of the worldwide secret society could be kept secret from all but its highest-level initiates. Just as the human workman named Hiram built a temple to God in which all the world was to worship (1 Kings 8:41-43), so the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon) (Revelation 13:4), when the Antichrist gains power over the earth (Revelation 13:7).

The Antichrist's future Luciferian rule over the earth could be pictured by the most common, publicly known symbol for the worldwide secret society, in which a drafting/measuring compass, an instrument shaped like the two legs of an "A" (as in "Antichrist"), is sometimes shown standing atop a globe of the earth. And beneath, as in support of, the "A" is a drafting/measuring square, an instrument shaped like an "L" (as in "Lucifer"). Also, found within the "L" is the letter "G", which could ultimately stand for the (false) "Gnosis" (knowledge) of Gnosticism (cf. the original Greek of 1 Timothy 6:20b), which the secret society thinks can be found in Lucifer. The Antichrist will teach the ancient Gnostic lie that YHWH is evil (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), and the ancient Gnostic lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (1 John 4:3). The Antichrist will also deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22).

 

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christian1488 said:

I gather you get your satan because he was cast out of heaven from the war in heaven....

No, because Revelation 12:7-9's war in heaven hasn't happened yet. Revelation 12 isn't about past things, but is part of the "things which must be hereafter" (Revelation 4:1b). Revelation chapters 11-14 are showing from four different angles what will happen right before the start and during the same 3.5-year time period of the worldwide reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 14:9-13).

christian1488 said:

Revelations 12,read it all again,it is either literal or symbolic--which one?

This was already addressed in post #17: It's not either/or, but both/and, for parts of Revelation 12 are literal and parts are symbolic, just as, for example, parts of Revelation 5:6 are literal (the throne of God in heaven, the four beasts, the 24 elders, Jesus having been slain, the seven Spirits of God, the earth) and parts of Revelation 5:6 are symbolic (Jesus being a Lamb, Jesus having seven horns, Jesus having seven eyes).

christian1488 said:

If Revelation 12:7-9 is literal then the verses before that would be literal...

Revelation 12:7-9 being literal doesn't require that everything in Revelation 12:1-6 is literal.

christian1488 said:

...and remember John was seeing visions!

This was already addressed in post #20: Just as what John saw in Revelation 4:2-11 were literal things in heaven, so what John saw in Revelation 12:7-9 was a literal, future, mid-tribulation war in heaven, between the archangel Michael and his angels on the one hand, and Satan and his angels on the other, resulting in Satan and his angels being defeated and cast back down from heaven to the earth (Revelation 12:8-9,12-13).

christian1488 said:

A quick look at Revelations 12

This is either literal or symbolic?

This has already been repeatedly answered (see above).

christian1488 said:

Look how the dragon is described in Revelation 12:3

This has already been addressed: Revelation 12:3 describes Satan in his true, dragon form (Revelation 12:9).

christian1488 said:

Where does it state this dragon was? Heaven or earth? Revelation 12:3

The dragon is seen first in heaven (Revelation 12:3,7), then he's cast down to the earth after losing a war in heaven (Revelation 12:7-9,12-13).

christian1488 said:

Who is the dragon? Revelation 12:9

The dragon is Satan (Revelation 12:9).

christian1488 said:

Where was the woman?Heaven or earth? Revelation 12:1

The woman is seen both in heaven (Revelation 12:1) and on the earth (Revelation 12:5-6,14-16).

christian1488 said:

The woman represents Israel...

The woman represents the church, as was shown in detail in post #17. And the church is Israel, as was shown in detail in post #20.

christian1488 said:

...now is Israel in heaven or earth?

The church/Israel is in both heaven and earth. As was already pointed out in post #20, those in the church who will be dwelling in heaven at the mid-tribulation time of Revelation 12:12 and Revelation 13:6 will be those who have died (Philippians 1:21,23, 2 Corinthians 5:8; e.g. Revelation 6:9-11) and those who are part of the 144,000 (Revelation 14:1,4-5, TR; Revelation 12:5b).

christian1488 said:

Was the dragon seen in the same place as the woman? Revelation 12:1-3

Initially, both the dragon and the woman are seen in heaven (Revelation 12:1, Revelation 12:3), then the woman is also seen on the earth (Revelation 12:5-6, same fleeing as Revelation 12:14-16), and Satan and his angels are seen being cast down out of heaven to the earth after losing a war in heaven (Revelation 12:7-9,12-13).

 

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a Picture tells a story don't it?


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Berlin_-_Pergamonmuseum_-_Altar_01.jpg

It was Satans throne created by pagans.

This was the Alter of Zeus made in honor of the children of Ge. Ge was short for Gigantes the race of Giants some believed that were created in the OT days when the sons of God met the daughters of men and had children. Greek mythology flourished there at Pergamon. There were other Greek gods honored here. The altar was moved to Berlin.