satanic killer executed in Ohio today

[ZiSunka]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14244729/

I lived in Dayton when this man did these killings. The Fugate's house was about 100 feet from where I worked.

I abhor the death penalty, especially for people who are admitted satanists, and especially for people who are in a hurry to die.

This man needed a savior, not a lethal injection.

Someone who dies in satan is lost forever. The Fugates were Christians, they can never be taken from the hand of God. Killing this man for revenge does nothing for the Fugates, nothing for Ferguson and nothing for the state of Ohio.

And discussion?

 

[MrJim]

I agree with you on this.

Do we say God's will was done?

Was everything done possible in reaching this man for Christ? He had his chances and tossed them away?

But after enough time in prison would his heart have been moved? And if it was going to why wouldn't have God moved it sooner than his execution? Ya could go nuts thinking this through.

 

[ZiSunka]

I agree with you on this.

Do we say God's will was done?

Was everything done possible in reaching this man for Christ? He had his chances and tossed them away?

But after enough time in prison would his heart have been moved? And if it was going to why wouldn't have God moved it sooner than his execution? Ya could go nuts thinking this through.

I don't have any way to answer any of those questions.

God has a man's days numbered even before he is born. If this man hadn't committed these murders, would he have died in a car crash? Would he have jumped off a tall building? Would God have taken his life today anyway?

Did Ferguson get short-changed by being executed today when he might have gotten saved tomorrow?

Essentially, we can't answer any of those questions and we never will.

But I oppose the death penalty for the same reason I oppose abortion and euthanasia--they send the message that human beings are disposable and that is completely contrary to the fact of what Christ did on the cross for each and every person who will ever be born. When God died on the cross, he sent the message that every human being is of such awesome worth that God himself would bear the death penalty in our place.

 

[MrJim]

What we would refer to as "disposal" others would refer to as "justice".

 

[ZiSunka]

What we would refer to as "disposal" others would refer to as "justice".

I doubt human beings are capable of true justice. No matter how the attorneys research and present their cases, the jury is never getting all the facts. The best we can do is decide probable guilt or innocence based on the information presented.

 

[Danfrey]

Is God in control?

 

[Imblessed]

I'm pretty much against the death penalty also. Mainly because I truly believe that man just can't be partial, and we have no idea how to execute justice properly and fairly.

The only instance in which I could condone killing is in a life or death situation involving yourself or your family. I'm not even sure I personally could do it then. Before children I couldn't even condone that......amazing how fierce a mother's love can be.

Back on subject-----I just don't see the death penalty doing anything to deter criminals. All I see is a bunch of people taking life into their own hands.

And it costs a whole bunch more to keep the criminals on death penalty there than it would for them to just be in jail the rest of their lives--with no possibility of parole---so killing them isn't helping on that front either.

 

[ZiSunka]

Back on subject-----I just don't see the death penalty doing anything to deter criminals. All I see is a bunch of people taking life into their own hands.

From everything I've read and the people I've talked to, and the things that get posted here at CF about the death penalty, it seems clear that it's all about revenge and not at all about deterence, or closure or justice. It's wanting an eye for an eye, and Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you not to resist an evil person. Matthew 5:38-39

And these words are also from the Bible:

Vengeance is Mine, and recompense; Their foot shall slip in due time; For the day of their calamity is at hand, And the things to come hasten upon them.' De 32:35

If I whet My glittering sword, And My hand takes hold on judgment, I will render vengeance to My enemies, And repay those who hate Me. De 32:41

and so on.

Human beings don't have the ability to judge perfectly, our judgments, especially in capital cases, involve emotions that can over power our righteous thinking. In addition to that, our justice system does not bring out all the facts and let the jury judge from those, they carefully control what facts are presented and they play on the emotions of the jurors. On TV a couple years ago, a prosecutor and a defense attorney were talking and they both agreed that the trial belongs to the side that makes the jury feel the strongest emotions.

 

[Imblessed]

Emotionally, when I hear about some of the attrocities committed by these people on death row, my first thought is yeah, kill 'em, they don't deserve life.

But I just don't think it's our right. Life without parole, isolation, etc etc. is just as appropriate, no matter our personal feelings on the issue. It doesn't matter what the old testament says, or how things were dealt with back then, Jesus made it clear that we don't go by those standards anymore.

 

[vespasia]

I thank God I live in a country that has abolished the death penalty.

How does one evil cancel another?
This is not living according to romans 12.