very_irreverand_Bill said:Another interesting side note, though his music was not actually "Satanic"{to my knowledge anyways};
-Sammy Davis Jr. Joined Anton Laveys Church of Satan{CoS} in the 70's.
{Quote;Yam Kimil/}Great job pointing that out.
Sadly, its also the problem with power metal, some sing about warrior stuff because it's their ancestry, other's because they fantasize about it (childishly albeit)
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My pleasure
Nice point about power metal. Another point is that Power Metal has alot of European and Europen bands influenced bands which love to write about Fanatasy{especially the Lord Of The Rings stuff}.
CULTUS_DIABOLOS and HOBO{Ig leader}:
I may be wrong, but to my understadning "LED ZEPPELIN" were NOT Satanists nor Satanic. I believe they{or at leats Jimmy Page} wer eento the Occult{particularly Aleister Crowley, whom was NOT a Satanist himself, though he was antichrist, he was just an Occult magus in general, whom himself got most of his stuff from variuos sources-most prominently Kabbalah and Egyptian mythology/magick,etc.}
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Cradle Of Filth does'nt suck. Their music is NOT garbage, you may not like their lyrical contents graphic sexuality and blasphemy, but you gotta admit that few Extremme metal bands are as good with words and wordplay or as skilled at writing thought-provoking poetic{darkly of course} lyrics. Dani Filth is a professional writer, he has written articles for papers and zines and stuff. Plus CoF's music is without question some of the most unique{not to mention Dani's unique vocal style, which has recieved some people trying to emulate it, most notably in my knowledge is the Christian Black metal group "Frost Like Ashes"}, there is not a single band that has mastered the art of mixing elements of shock rock and goth w/blackmetal, thrahs metal, death metal, and glam metal, where all the variuos genres infleunce can actually be heard in the music w/out to much difficulty; they also make some of the most creative and artful metal w/great musical skill; which is why, in my opinion, alot of people put them down or claim them as sell-outs, because CoF actually have uniqueness and skill and creativity.
{Quote;NHB_MMA/}I skimmed through that. What a sick subculture.{Unquote/}
What needs to be understood is that many of these abnds use evil and or sataic imagery purely symbolically or as variuos froms of pyschological catharsis{which si true of most of them}-ditto to the sub-culture in general; others use it with toungue in cheek as gimmick and shock value.
Black metal{and the culture] has been given a bad name, in my opinion, byt the small crimninal element and the Norweigan "black circle" guys, as well as the few national socialists and neo-nzi types that are in it. These are not representative of the majority of the scene/culture and music. I am a dedicated black metalhead/fan and am aside from my controverial opinions, a very down to earth guy whom abides by the law and is not some silly and ignorant social darwinistic misanthrope, and alot of us in the scene are like this{like I am}, some have pessimistic outlooks and a dislike for "humanity"{but not human "individuals' per se}. The culture and music, while somewhat dark and expressing alot of anger and frustration, is by and large done mainly as a means of personal psychological catharsis.
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honorary reverend{of the Church of Satan}. he didn't actually join
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That's right, he did receive a membership card from Anton Lavey, but he later ripped it up on stage in protest against the Church of Satan for the direction that Blanche Barton and Peter Gimore took it in after Lavey died. Thereby renouncing his membership. I'm not sure as to whether he STILL call/considers himself a Satanist or not, or simple a occultist and antichrist.
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A Satanic band would be any band that is AGAINST God...
...If you are not for God...you ARE against him.
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That's faulty logic. According to Maintream evangelical Christianity, anything that is not DIRECTLY of and in honour of the CHRISTIAN god and the maintream Christian christ is of the christian devil/satan,and thereby "satanic", therefore Neopagans and Wiccans, Buddhists, followers of aboriginal beliefs, Jews and Kaballists, Muslims, Deists,Pantheists,Hindus,Polytheists,etc....is also "Satanic". Heck, even so-called liberal christians and Mormons and JW's and so-called rebellious christians are then "Satanic"; and all musicians of any of them or any other non-maintream orthodox evangelical christian thought peoples and bands.
What we are talking about in this thread are bands and musicians that are known and admitted Satanists/Lucifeirans and those who's lyrics or lifestyle gives them away as such{and would admit to it when questioned}. Not bands that are just "not of" or that are in opposition to the modern maintream christian faith.
{Quote;Cultus_Diabolos/}In another note, don't anybody even THINK of saying Black Sabbath because they are so far away from Satanist its not even funny.
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Exactly. In fact one of their 70's tunes off of their album 'master of reality' called "After Forever" was a BLATANTLY Christian song. I can't recall whether it was Tony Iomi or Gennzer Butler, but one of them was a Christian/catholic{probably "lapsed"}. The guys all presented their cullt themsed lyrics from a standpoint that is allmost christian in essense, one where it is presented as something scary or possibly harmful,etc. Ozzy Ozbourne has ALWAYS been a blatant Agnostic, though he has shown a fascination w/Aleister Crowley.
{Quote;HowardDean/}People used to say KISS, but I doubt that, Gene Simmons worships money. hey....hm{Unquote/}
No, KISS are'nt, you're right. I'm not sure of each individual member; and as far as Gene goes, I think what he worships is the female form and sex{though money is likely one of his demigods so to speak}.fffff
Caermac; Maiden are not and never were satanic, you're correct. The drummer is actually christian, most of them just seem to be rationalists whom find myth/legend{especially egyptian} and the occult lore fascinating to write about, not to mention the many songs they've written about historical happenings, and then some more personallyrics as well. Bruce Dickison I think isparticularly into Aleister Crowleys stuff.
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Bands, even if they really aren't into the occult, when they use symbols assosiated with it, can attract the bad stuff.
Example. I once, long ago, liked Motley Crue.
I hung up some photos of them in my room, and sensed evil.
I could sense things back then.
When I took them down and threw them out, the atmosphere changed right away; it brightened up.
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This message is also for Z500.
Many would point out that this is just because your mind was allready programmed through some medium or another to believe in such concepts, and therefore you felth uneasy, as if something was intrisically wrong or evil associated directly w/the material pictures and albums,etc. It could be pointed out that to have a pictuire of a prominent Christian band or person in general on their wall-might cause someone of another absolkutist faith, say Islam for example, to feel evil emanate from it, because that was the way their mind has been programmed to think and the feelings as well.
This does not mean that the Christian bands stuff or the secular non-chriatin bands stuff actually has some evil presecne with it. It can be truly said to be "subjective" feelings base don how ones mind or jow one has trained their own mind to think/feel. It's nothing more than a personal value judgement. When I look at a Christian cross or when I listen to something christian I sense similar feelings, but I know this is because of my personal and subjective value judgement because I associate the faith and absolutist FAITH in general w/bad or harmful things, I recognize that there isn't actually some kind of presence with it all that is either "good" or "evil", I agree with Philospher Friedrich Neitzche, we must look beyond good and evil to the varrying shades of grey to get past irrational fears and PREjudgements.
{Quote;HowarDean/}Satan doesn't always have to be a scary monster. Maybe he can come across as a doddering, sweet ol guy{Unquote/}
Indeed. But perhaps that's because the light bearing side is not an act. I see Lucifer or Satan much like I see the greek Myth Prometheus, a rebel against tyranny and hypocrisy and blind herd like comformity, an individualistic and naturalistic but somewhat compassionate "peoples champion', and as representing such sybolically.
The The monster satan of myth has become an extreme characture perversion of the original perversiopn of the biblical devil w/horns and hooves,et,c which was originally the Churches way to demonize the Pagan horned gods such as Pan and others.
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Behemoth isn't satanic. Read their lyrics, they sound more like pagans.
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They are admitted Satanists. The thing is that they go beyond the Laveyan Satanism, they incorporate ideologies,symbols,myths, and practices from variuos other so-called Left Hand Path occult traditions{such as Thelema,Zos Kia Cultis, and others}, they are rennasaince progressive Occultist Satanists essentially.
{Quote;DilyX/}Why do you acutally like these bands, i live in Norway.. they have the main export of Black (satanic) metal.. I listned to alot of it when i was a little kid.. Why should you not listen to it?: well it`s actually quite simple. It mocks religion, probably christianity. And just by starting this thread we help other people to listen to the crap. Seriously i listen to death metal most of the time.. there are ALOT of good christian death-metal bands out there. the christian hardcore music scene is BIG. This may sound like a agressive postso ill just end it by giving a list of some good christian bands
Some good groups:
* Haste the day
* Demon Hunter
* As i lay dying ++
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All those bands suck! Demon Hunter are just Slipknot wannabe's, trying intentionally to be the "christian alternative' to SlipKnot, that's not very original.
There are some very good Christian death,black, and thrash bands out there. Ranginf from Mortification,Living Sacrifice, Deliverance,Betrayal,Sevent Angel,Tourniquet,Ultimatum and others. to More extreme acts such as Crimson Thorn, Vomiorial Corpulence[christianities answer to gorecore},Encryptor, Sorrowstorm,Slechtvalk,Antestor,Frost Like Ashes,Horde,Kekal,Armageddon Holocaust,Drottnar,Inversion,Indwelling,Sympathy,Crimson Moonlight,Extol,Sanctifica, and variuos others.
I spent severla years listening allmost exlusively to this stuff when I was a Christian. I no longer have their albums not listen to them now that I disagree so strongly w/the christian faith. But I will admit that many of these bands had/have real talent musically.
{Quote;coey Zallow/}If anybody here says that HIM is satanic, I will personnally blundgeon them to death with a guitar.{Unquote
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Good point. Even if their name does stand for: His Infernal Majesty, their lyrics are always about love.{Unquote/}
Um... So you assume that Satanists and Satanic bands are all about the hate and the daker things eh?
This is simply put...not true.
I'm not sure of HIM's beliefs, but I find his/their use of the name meaning his infernal majesty and the use of their rather unque creation-the "heartagram" to be essentially allmost like a Luciferian/satanist thing, or at least "dark pagan".
To write about love and the more lioght side feelings and ideas is NOT UnSatanic/UnLuciferian, it is actually perhaps unsatanic/unluciferian to ficus exclusively on hate and darkness. Satanists and Luciferian have just as much propensity to love as anyone else, perhaps more deeply than many others, as they accept both their loving/light and hateful/darker sides and seek a way to be balance these natural forced w/in themsleves in a perfect harmony and balance. Because they can admit and accept their hatred of their enemies{and enemies have to EARN that title}-they have way to then distinguish between love and hate more fully and love those they love with more depth.
{Quote;Yam Kimil/}What can i say, i can't blame alot of europeans for thinking they were satanic (and trying to ban them because of that misconception), but hey, if were more narrow-minded, i'd think a band of people in monster costumes was satanic too.
BTW, Lordi isn't that bad really, just some good old cheezy power metal, with songs like Hard Rock Halleluia and The Devil is a Loser (funny lyrics).{Unquote/}
I've seen them on tv. seems to me they are just copycatting GWAR!
{Quote;Yam Kimil/}as a matter of fact, the LOTR related themes (or what is seen as lotr related) are really from nordic mythology (from which tolkein took many themes, names, and places. ex. Middle Earth). So in actuallity, bands like Gorgoroth, and Burzum (ex. Uruk-hai), aren't necessarily speaking from a LOTR fantasy kind of perspective but rather from their ancestral mythology{Unquote/}
Good points!
In Reason:
the very irrev.Bill
Loner said:Whean the subject of satanic cults come up in metal it depends......if it some one who just doing it for show and shock I will see it more like horro movie, but if they mean it, I out of there!! The bands I avoid are guys like Marylin Manson, Christian Death, Mayhem and other like them becuase they are really evil people. As for Cardal of Filth I never Liked them to begin with so I am not that worried about there muisc. But I try to do reasch on bands that I do like who have darker theams in there music and see if they are real satan woshipers or just trying to scare you for show.
LebZepplin is really Satanic......?.........oh boy.......now I have do my homework on them.
Why was my post quoted? I never said Zeppelin were Satanists, nor did I say LaVeyan Satanism had anything to do with the Christian concept of Satan. In my first post in this thread I even said that most 'satanic' bands really only do so for shock value and to play up the metal image and that real Satanic bands get very little mainstream attention because they're too out there.TheOutlawTorn said:LeVay Satanism for one doesnt have a lot to do with Lucifer as a spiritual being, they use the word Satan as a symbol of defiance against pre established belief systems. Also, none of the members of Zeppelin were satanists. Robert Plant seemed to have a great interest in mysticism the way Page did in the Occult. Jones and Bonham never did say a word to confirm or deny any beliefs. The only one of the group who can even come close to being labeled was Page, and that would have been a pagan label if anything, not Luciferian.Qyöt27 said:As far as I ever knew, they were interested in mysticism, a la Aleister Crowley, which may have little to nothing to do with LaVeyan Satanism in most circumstances.
As for Manson, I think a lot of that image is primarily to get the goat (heh) of American Evangelicals and Fundamentalists.
Opethian said:The backmasking in Led Zeppelin is not a hoax as far as I'm concerned. If you just reverse the song on your pc you can clearly hear the satanic lyrics and it would just be a far too big coincidence to not be intentional. But anyways who cares?
Idicious said:Led actually has a song in which there is a backwords spoken bit at the end that sounds right when reversed but it sounds like jibberish normally and when you reverse it it says something like congratialations on finding the secret message and thanks for support.
Hobo[IG leader];24223863 said:How about Behemoth? Or is Satanica just a name? Just another image thing?
Well i know there was this Totally lame band that won the Euro Vision song Contest.. i think they name was lordi? and they were confessing to be satanic
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