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why did god let satan corrupt us.

fid he know it was gonna happen?

what was te point in that whole game.

to set us up for a fallen world scenario where we have o wade trough an infinite possible set of perceptions and god willing, find jesus as a way out of the maze?
Ever try and paint a picture or illustrate something using only white on white? It doesn't work! Black is the absense of all spectrum of light, and in order for a choice to be made, a contrast had to be present to the light - a choice between good and evil.
The next time you create a universe, think about what it might take to reveal yourself to your creation and what it would take to even create what we call the mystery of love. It is not so easy as you might think to even think about doing, but it is exactly what God did and then promised us to make "all" things, in the end, work together for good - even those things that seem bad to us now. God is light and the contrast to that light, for the temporary, is the evil represented by the fallen angel, the devil ("prince of this world"), and the third of the angels that followed him. They inspire men today and rule the world according to the scriptures because mankind gave authority over to satan - not God, even though God created everything. Love creates the risk of free-will, but God has the power to triumph over even the the evil of rebellion in the end.

Eph 6:12 For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood, but against the evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against those mighty powers of darkness who rule this world, and against wicked spirits in the heavenly realms.
 
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why did god let satan corrupt us.

fid he know it was gonna happen?

what was te point in that whole game.

to set us up for a fallen world scenario where we have o wade trough an infinite possible set of perceptions and god willing, find jesus as a way out of the maze?


deshadow,

This is a question that many new Christians or those introduced to Christianity ask themselves. :hug:

satan (hassatan in original tounge) was a beautiful and loved angel of God's at one time...named Lucifer. His name was appropriately changed following his disobedience to God. Satan and his followers were amazed with the wonderous creations that God had made (us -- humans). He sought himself to be followed and made himself into a god and sought to divide man and our true God, Yaweh...who is good and love and all the things that lead to life versus our destruction.

There was a heavenly host watching as heavenly creations were created prior to humans. God being a loving God did not simply destroy satan...although God could have. Instead he allowed satan (just as God allows us) to have his own free will.

The point for us is that our lives our short and we are to make choices that lead to life versus death.

God did not go back on His original plan with humans, just because He gave satan free will. satan's time is short. Our time could be eternal just as it was meant to be since the beginning. It is our choice though -- just as it was satan's choice.

I hope this was a sufficient answer. :hug:
 
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If God wanted robots, He could answer every question, and reveal Himself in such Power that there would be no room for doubt at all.

He wanted willing lovers, so like Cupid in the myth, He hides His Irresitable self to give us space for choice.

Now, some of my collegues find this contradictory to the Scriptures. They see that, from God's perspective, all is predestined, and man really has no choice.

Maybe it's having been aquainted with Einteinian relativity before the Gospel, but for me there is no contradiction at all. From God's Absolute perspective, there is no choice, all that was and ever will be is compelled by Him. But that does not contradict that we, from our limited time-constrained perspective, really do make choices. It is IMPOSSIBLE to see from the perspective of a photon. For such any light-speed object, time stops, and we can not comprehend what that means. It is a mathematical absraction we can calculate with, but not a reality we can conceive. This is a photon, and I am sure far more than this is meant by "God is Light."

You can NOT think as God thinks.

Some questions are meaningless, just as asking what is the set of all sets, or the largest number.

Logic is a linear set of rules which apply just fine to much of daily experience. Logic does not apply all that well in certain realms of nature, such as the very small and the very fast. Why would you think that if human logic can not properly account for nature, it can account for God? Mathematics, which so far has applied well to nature, has proven that mathematics can NOT account for all reality (see Godell's incompleteness theorems). Thus, all human systems of thought must necessarily be either incomplete or inaplicable.

Why then do you marvel that there are some things outside of human comprehension, if it has been mathematically proven this must be so, even about the natural?

IF you could understand all of God, you would BE God. That is the message of Satan at Eden.

JR
 
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so no matter what gods grand design is to have people in hell... no matter what, thats whats going on.
What is going on is that people WANT to go to Hell.

Like the commercial says "Have it your way." Even when everyone knows the burger clogs your arteries, and there was a salad on the menu, people want to blame the restaurant.

JR
 
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so no matter what gods grand design is to have people in hell... no matter what, thats whats going on.
NO GOD's DESIGN is that All Believe in Him, and That they accept Jesus Christ into their lives into their hearts, and Live for Him.
 
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