Satan and the New Testament

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Most Christians believe we're born into sin.

Cool.


Was ANYONE born into sin the way you put it ?

 

[HitchSlap]

Cool.


Was ANYONE born into sin the way you put it ?

The way I "put it" is pretty clear.

 

[-V-]

Did you choose to be 'born into sin?'

Have you ever felt that you wanted to do something, but decided not to because you felt it would be wrong to go through with it?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The way I "put it" is pretty clear.

No, you only said what others said, how they put it,
I think.

The way you put it, is ANYONE born in sin ?
Or, the way you think, is ANYONE born in sin ?

 

[HitchSlap]

Have you ever felt that you wanted to do something, but decided not to because you felt it would be wrong to go through with it?

Would you answer my question?

Did you choose to be 'born into sin?'

 

[HitchSlap]

No, you only said what others said, how they put it,
I think.

The way you put it, is ANYONE born in sin ?
Or, the way you think, is ANYONE born in sin ?

Yes, it's my belief that mainstream Christians believe we are born into sin.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, it's my belief that mainstream Christians believe we are born into sin.

So ?
Big deal.
What do you believe ?

 

[HitchSlap]

So ?
Big deal.
What do you believe ?

About what, exactly??

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

About what, exactly??

How can you be forgiven of sin ?

 

[HitchSlap]

How can you be forgiven of sin ?

Depends what one's personal view of soteriology is.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Depends what one's personal view of soteriology is.

No , it doesn't.

I didn't ask about any religious view of anything, anyway.

I asked you, yourself, how you can be forgiven for [your] sin.

I did not ask anyone else what you think.

 

[HitchSlap]

No , it doesn't.

I didn't ask about any religious view of anything, anyway.

I asked you, yourself, how you can be forgiven for [your] sin.

I did not ask anyone else what you think.

You know I'm atheist, right? And as an atheist, I recognize the concept of "sin" is a religious notion, with no basis in reality, therefore, no one need be "forgiven" of.

 

[toLiJC]

When I was a Christian, I was told that Joseph Smith, Muhammad (FBUH), and the like were in communication with the devil when they concocted their false religions. Alien abductees were actually victims of demonic encounters.

So Satan has the ability to create false religions, he has the desire to, and he has in fact succeeded in doing so.

Now, imagine that you're Satan in 1000 BC. You see that God has established a covenant with man and has set up specific rules for living, atonement of sins, and etc. You want to deceive these people. How do you do it?

Would you perhaps find a way to convince them that they don't need to perform animal sacrifices? Would you find a way to convince them that the temple is no longer a holy place? What if you could accomplish this by substituting for God someone else that they could worship? Would that be a worthwhile aim, again, pretending that you're Satan?

If you're Satan in 1000 BC, what parts of the New Testament would not seem like a good idea to you? In short, I'd like to know what parts of the New Testament could not have been authored or inspired by Satan. What parts of the New Testament contradict Satan's goals to the point that he would not advocate such ideas even to advance a false god for people to worship?

If you refuse to answer this, then you surrender your right to fling accusations of other religions or experiences being Satanic. And worse, if you refuse to answer, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not your beliefs are an extreme insult to YHWH.

unfortunately satan has misled [many people reading/studying the Bible] by introducing false scriptural interpretations into their minds, and if there have been critical places/weak points in translations of the Bible, satan has tried to take advantage of them by bringing (in) misleading ideas of their meanings - and what if you know everything about these things, but don't help humans be saved for abundant and eternal life?!

Blessings

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You know I'm atheist, right? And as an atheist, I recognize the concept of "sin" is a religious notion, with no basis in reality, therefore, no one need be "forgiven" of.

It is perhaps, so you might sometime understand ,
as if there are outstanding warrants against you,

even though you deny it.

Once prosecuted/ enforced, bye bye.... (yes, forever) ...

Until then, before you pass on from this world,

there is a tiny chance you have to be pardoned.

 

[Chriliman]

But what about prisoners who won't be rehabilitated? Is imprisonment not still justified?

I think it would still be good to figure out why they're not being rehabilitated in the hope of helping them. Keeping them in prison in the mean time would be justified, as long as the purpose is to help them. I suppose it's justified to keep them in prison in order to prevent them from harming others, but it'd still be better to fix the root issue so they can be released.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think it would still be good to figure out why they're not being rehabilitated in the hope of helping them. Keeping them in prison in the mean time would be justified, as long as the purpose is to help them. I suppose it's justified to keep them in prison in order to prevent them from harming others, but it'd still be better to fix the root issue so they can be released.

Remember in the New Testament,
by
the authority of Jesus - when He sent out His disciples in 2's ,

how the root was fixed ? EVERYWHERE. (in every town and city they went to)

 

[HitchSlap]

It is perhaps, so you might sometime understand ,
as if there are outstanding warrants against you,

even though you deny it.

Once prosecuted/ enforced, bye bye.... (yes, forever) ...

Until then, before you pass on from this world,

there is a tiny chance you have to be pardoned.

That's for you to suss out.

 

[-V-]

Would you answer my question?

Did you choose to be 'born into sin?'

We're getting to that. So, have you ever felt that you wanted to do something, but decided not to because you felt it would be wrong to go through with it?

 

[-V-]

I think it would still be good to figure out why they're not being rehabilitated in the hope of helping them. Keeping them in prison in the mean time would be justified, as long as the purpose is to help them. I suppose it's justified to keep them in prison in order to prevent them from harming others, but it'd still be better to fix the root issue so they can be released.

I'm not talking about people who aren't receiving help that they need, I'm talking about those that don't want to be rehabilitated - people that are going to be career criminals regardless.

 

[HitchSlap]

We're getting to that. So, have you ever felt that you wanted to do something, but decided not to because you felt it would be wrong to go through with it?

Answer the question.