Satan and the New Testament

[dcalling]

So we have "free will," but if we don't choose the right religion, hell.

Got it.

On a sinking boat, you have all the free will to stay on instead of get on a life boat. So yes.

 

[HitchSlap]

On a sinking boat, you have all the free will to stay on instead of get on a life boat. So yes.

So your god puts people on a sinking boat then makes them beg to be saved. Nice guy.

 

[-V-]

I think a better question is; what purpose does(should) prison serve? Hopefully a correctional purpose, which in turn should make us reconsider what hells purpose is.

But what about prisoners who won't be rehabilitated? Is imprisonment not still justified?

 

[-V-]

So your god puts people on a sinking boat then makes them beg to be saved. Nice guy.

More like He hands you a life vest and tells you to get on a life boat, pointing out where they are. All you have to do is put the vest on and listen to Him. Yet some people are foolish enough that they'll just simply deny being on a sinking ship and insist they don't need to put on the life vest or look for any life boat. The blame for what happens to those people lies squarely on their own shoulders.

 

[HitchSlap]

More like He hands you a life vest and tells you to get on a life boat, pointing out where they are. All you have to do is put the vest on and listen to Him. Yet some people are foolish enough that they'll just simply deny being on a sinking ship and insist they don't need to put on the life vest or look for any life boat. The blame for what happens to those people lies squarely on their own shoulders.

I'm atheist, so this is something I don't have to worry about.

 

[-V-]

I'm atheist, so this is something I don't have to worry about.

Exactly. The blame for what happens is squarely on your own shoulders.

 

[HitchSlap]

Exactly. The blame for what happens is squarely on your own shoulders.

Well, I wouldn't expect it to be on yours.

 

[-V-]

Well, I wouldn't expect it to be on yours.

No, but earlier you indicated it should be on God's.

 

[HitchSlap]

No, but earlier you indicated it should be on God's.

If the god/s exist, and the bible's narrative is correct, then yes, it's responsible.

But this academic for me, not something that keeps me up at night.

 

[-V-]

If the god/s exist, and the bible's narrative is correct, then yes, it's responsible.

So, when God hands you the life vest and points out the life boats, telling you to go to one... it's *HIS* fault that you reject the vest, ignore the life boats, and say, "no thanks, I don't believe a problem exists"? Alrighty then.

 

[HitchSlap]

So, when God hands you the life vest and points out the life boats, telling you to go to one... it's *HIS* fault that you reject the vest, ignore the life boats, and say, "no thanks, I don't believe a problem exists"? Alrighty then.

Is it my fault if I smash your thumb with a hammer, then tell you it's your fault if you reject the ice pack?

 

[-V-]

Is it my fault if I smash your thumb with a hammer, then tell you it's your fault if you reject the ice pack?

I don't see how your analogy fits at all.

 

[HitchSlap]

I don't see how your analogy fits at all.

Your god/s created hell, then sends you there if you don't "choose" him. Is that really a choice?

I find the notion of 'vicarious redemption' immoral.

 

[-V-]

Your god/s created hell, then sends you there if you don't "choose" him. Is that really a choice?

Of course it's a choice. The existence of consequences to a choice don't preclude the existence of the choice. You're not choosing God. It doesn't seem like your choice was affected.

I find the notion of 'vicarious redemption' immoral.

I find atheism immoral. What's your point? Besides, the criminal justice system allows for the same type of thing. Some crimes are punishable by a fine rather than imprisonment. Do you think the government cares who actually pays the fine? Anyone can put up the money and pay the fine on the accused's behalf. No one complains about that being unjust.

 

[HitchSlap]

Of course it's a choice. The existence of consequences to a choice don't preclude the existence of the choice. You're not choosing God. It doesn't seem like your choice was affected.


I find atheism immoral. What's your point? Besides, the criminal justice system allows for the same type of thing. Some crimes are punishable by a fine rather than imprisonment. Do you think the government cares who actually pays the fine? Anyone can put up the money and pay the fine on the accused's behalf. No one complains about that being unjust.

Yeah, 'cept no one made you steal, in your scenario.

Think about it some more.

 

[-V-]

Yeah, 'cept no one made you steal, in your scenario.

Think about it some more.

I don't recall God forcing anyone to steal, either.

 

[HitchSlap]

I don't recall God forcing anyone to steal, either.

Did you choose to be 'born into sin?'

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Is it my fault if I smash your thumb with a hammer, then tell you it's your fault if you reject the ice pack?

yes.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Did you choose to be 'born into sin?'

Was ANYONE born into sin the way you put it ?

 

[HitchSlap]

Was ANYONE born into sin the way you put it ?

Most Christians believe we're born into sin.